Hoops

NBL governancy issues

"My comment about anyone beating anyone is fair I think. In the past it was a 50/50 for most games now its an utter surprise if a low ranked team knocks off a top two"

Err no.

Oh i absolutely agree that you cant soley rely on crowds to bring in profits. But, bigger attendances leads to a trickle down effect on things like greater merch sales, more intetest from the media, better sponsorhip opportunities and generally speaking, more respect as a strong professional sports league.

Of course, bigger arenas lead to higher costs and game nights are more expensive - thats the offset to this recent success, and clubs can fall in a hole much quicker if the success isnt maintained than if they were playing in smaller lower cost venues.

BTW i do agree about the weighing of eyeballs is better on FTA than on Fox. Its just the NBL has never had a significant number of eyeballs watching on FTA and its veiwership on Fox is similar to its FTA efforts.

Mostly in response to KB3s post - Aren't the TV ratings roughly the same or better now on Fox compared to the coverage on Ten?

Also, only 1 live game per week on Ten with the other delayed by at least 6 hours is no where near as good as all games live on Fox with SBS supplementing 2x live games each week. Even if the ratings are similar.

Getting TV ratings up is something LK and the league need to keep working on, but the coverage is there.

Also, the Tigers could only get a max of 3500 (not 4500), and United were averaging 8500 with many games over 10,000. So the numbers are much bigger.

Where is it said that teams are losing 'more money than ever?' Im not disputing it, I just havent seen that statement before.

The player points cap was the worst initiative the league has ever seen.

Now there is an unlimited salary cap, 4 imports and no player points cap.
Cairns just making money, United who knows, Perth clearly strong, Hawks borderline, Adel questionable, Kings with their offloading (eventually) of 10% to Bogut will appease the Ogden group for a while.

"Definition of governancy in English:
Governancy
NOUN
rare
The office or function of governing; specifically the office or function of governor.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/governancy

The AFL can't get involved with someone that flips and flops on a regular basis with one person in charge. Himself. Hardly good corporate governance in any way shape or form. If you want to expand the league there needs to be some independent oversight of the NBL.
You can't cite a source when LK just does what he wants to to keep the NBL afloat. Strange isn't it that Adel has a new owner and the Hawks too.
It seems that most of the new players involved in the NBL now are mates of Kestleman's. If want to cite a source go read the Financial Review. They certainly are keeping and eye on it and doing a great job of it too.
With expansion looming it's really irresponsible having no accountability of the boss.
Oh "when we signed on" these were the terms at the time. Oh well I have changed my mind. Move on and suck it up.
4 imports, 3 teams in Melb, 2 teams in Melb, Crocs, NO teams in Melb. Asia, another Kiwi team, how many times does he change his mind?

@ME: Sure, and that's why there's a disagreement in this thread. But it's not, as robt suggests, coming from people who want the NBL to fail.

he is a part owner of the hawks and Adel.

That's an absurd argument.

Nobody is criticising the way the NBL is run because they hate basketball and think it should die, they're criticising it because they love basketball, want to see the league thrive, and are concerned that its current leadership will at best prevent that, and at worst result in the league collapsing.

Regardless of which side of the LK argument people in this thread fall on, I'm entirely sure everyone wants the league to succeed.

I have just read this thread [and others where BASKETBALL FANS deride LK]. Honestly, some of these comments are well written & express what might be genuine concerns. Seem to have been written by those with something, other than muscle, between their ears.

BUT.....

IF YOU HATE AS BAD AS YOU SEEM TO, HOW COME YOU HAVE ALL THIS "INSIDER" KNOWLEDGE OF THE NBL? Why do you stress so much over what you hate. Just leave it alone.
I am not a huge fan of brussells sprouts but I do not spend my time searching for forums so that I can tell the world how they are ruining the world we live in. If I did, and you read one of my posts, re sprouts and how I hate them, [and their owner, prob that awful LK character, the one who ruined the NBL] you would no doubt think, "What a tosser". Guess what we all think of you.
The truth is that you all should be watching AFL, NRL, RU, volleyball... F*** off and let the rest of us enjoy. Sure, there are improvements that can still be made. There will always be improvements that can still be made. I see that they ARE being made. and will continue to be made.
Please, just go away!
Now how's that for a mad rant????

I have just read this thread [and others where BASKETBALL FANS derride LK]. Honestly, some of these comments and well written express what might be genuine concerns. Seemdto have been written by those with something, other than muscle, between their ears.

IF YOU HATE AS BAD AS YOU SEEM TO, HOW COME YOU HAVE ALL THIS "INSIDER" KNOWLEDGE OF THE NBL? Why do you stress so much over what you hate. Just leave it alone.
I am not a huge fan of brussells sprouts but I do not spend my time searching for forums so that I can tell the world how they are ruining the world we live in. If I did, and you read one of my posts re sprouts and how I hate them [and their owner, prob that awful LK character, the one who ruined the NBL] you would no doubt would think, "What a tosser". Guess what we all think of you.
The truth is that you all should be watching AFL, NRL, RU, volleyball... F*** off and let the rest of us enjoy. Sure, there are improvements that can still be made. There will always be improvements that can still be made. I see that they are being made. and will continue to be made.
Please, just go away!
Now how's that for a mad rant????

LK taking a leaf out of the FFA playbook -- package A-League with Socceroos games and get an inflated price for the domestic league. Good move, LK.

The other aspect of the TV situation is that the NBL controls the broadcast rights to the Boomers/Team USA games at Etihad next year, giving them the ability to package them with the NBL rights.

"The NBL has its biggest ever FTA presence"
Yep, finally confirmed, Koberrulz is smoking crack

yes and increased ownership in 4 teams now. Good job. LK. build a shrine ffs.

The afl is accountable to a board. That's the point.

BA reportedly wanted a naming rights sponsor so desperately they essentially gave iiNet the rights for nothing. Post-BA the league has held out until someone was willing to actually provide sponsorship in return for the naming rights.

The word "proper" was in my original sentence for a reason.

Oooo, nice correction - beat me to it.

Since iiNet koberulz

Wow, breaking news...

and SAY NO to AFL involvement.

Prior to LK getting involved, Brisbane were never coming back. How many times did a consortium show interest in the Bullets before falling over at the final hurdle.

Fox Sports wanted a Brisbane team in the league and made that a requirement to continuing to give the NBL air time. LK made it happen. Call it a placeholder team if you like, but without them there would be no Fox coverage. Now he is after a buyer to take over. Good luck there, but dont discredit what LK has had to do to keep this league running - and running well.

And I'll give you a help, here are some things he doesn't get credit for:

Brisbane. Plans to bring back the bullets were already well down the track, including proposals that would not have required league ownership.

^^^
Exactly NBL fan, there would be no league with out him. Let’s hope keeps scoring buckets and it goes from success to success.

Calling the NBL a 'treehouse' and a 'dodgy venture' is unacceptable. The NBL's is as professional as its ever been and as business savvy as its ever been. Compare what we have with LK to what we had with the clubs running the NBL after the demerger. LK is the best thing that has happened to the NBL's ownership/governance/future.

^haha came here to say this.

For those bitching about LK “owning” too many teams, tell us who would step in and own them if he didn’t?

Governancy is not a word

Co owner of Hawks and Sixers as well.
Let alone the dictatorship issues of running the NBL.
Expansion is clearly on the horizon but if your brother is the NBL's Marketing manager where does the nepotism stop?
Now leveraging off LK with uniforms etc, it doesn't get much more inclusive than that surely?
Cheering United in all their club gear too on GF night as well. Hardly separated at all. Just jobs for the boys.

Yes but that's the reality of where the league is at right now. Lk owned Utd before he took over the league. Without his ownership you would be seeing a much poorer version of the NBL, where there would be no chance at all of any AFL interest.

Its not a perfect scenario to be in, but when you have no sponsors, no TV deal and poorly run clubs with small crowds then having LK come in and revamping the whole league the way he has, and now the AFL want a piece of it.

The governance surrounding this is to do with LK now on-selling Utd and Brisbane.

He's trying to sell his part of Melb Utd for this very reason.

Bullets ownership is a bit different in that the NBL are propping them up until a buyer can found. What other conflicts are there surrounding LK's ownership structures?

Round 16 results will be out later today.

ROUND 17
Ox v clarky
Isaac v hendo8888
alexkrad v Flinders80
Pure Silk v BJF

FREE AGENTS - Restricted until 9am tomorrow
F ADEKPONYA, Matthew
G ALLEN, Myron
F ANTHONY, Benny
F BALCOMBE, Jarrod
C/F BALLINGER, Adam
G BEAGLEY, Alex
G BLOXHAM, Josh
F BREBNER, Dean
G BRUCE, Aaron
F/G CARTER, Zac
G CASSIR, Robert
F/G COMINO, James
G CROSSWELL, Nathan
G DALY, Tom
G DELANEY, Zac
F FOTU, Isaac
G GEORGE, Deba
G GLOVER, Showron
F GRUBER, David
F/G GYNES, Alex
F/G HENRY, Leon
C/F HINDER, Russell
F HIRE, Greg
G HUSSEY, Jackson
C ITI, Martin
F JACKSON, Daniel
F JAMIESON, Luke
C/F KERRY, Tanner
C LANG, Tim
G LYCETT, Matthew
G MITCHELL, James
G NILSSON, Karl
G NORTON, Mitch
F ODIGIE, Owen
G PHILP, Mitch
G PREWSTER, Dion
F/G PURSER, Ben
G SCOTT, Damien
C/F TRUEMAN, Jeremiah
G TUDEHOPE, Keegan
C VANDERJAGT, Greg
C/F VIGOR, Michael
F WARBOUT, Jan
G WEEKS, Jarrad
G WILCHER, Joshua
G WILLIAMS, Kerry
F/G WILLIAMSON, Drew
G WRIGHT, Tom


WAIVER ORDER
1 Pure Silk
2 clarky
3 hendo8888
4 Isaac
5 alexkrad
6 BJF
7 Flinders80
8 ox