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FIBA notifies BA of disciplinary proceedings

Does anyone know the FIBA procedures well enough to give us an idea of when we’ll hear anything?

It probably won’t matter much, anyway - I agree with AD that it will be largely waved off. Issuing serious penalties would trigger a political shitstorm, and also would imply that FIBA screwed up and was accountable for some of what happened. They wouldn’t risk either.

I don't have confidence in FIBA for integrity of proceedings.
Filipino coach happy brawl won't be taken outta context....

This will be very interesting. FIBA's disciplinary panel rarely convenes.

Interesting theory.

You are down by 30 on your home court and post half time have no normal chance to get back into the game. The half time chatter was about getting back into the game. We try basketball first and if that doesn’t work, we try the nothing to lose brawl.

Things that don’t make sense:
1) their coach besides the timeout speech. In the play phase in which his player was tormenting Goulding all the way to the Kickert decking and even the first 10 seconds of all hell breaking lose. Phillipines coach just stands there with arms folded. So your player getting decked doesn’t cause an emotion and neither does the clearing of your whole bench. He just stands there waiting for what he knew was about to happen.

2) I’ve heard Gila Pilipinas we have each other’s back from every Phillipino basketball wannabe all week. All except the team captain and two others who stay on the bench. It’s our team policy but the captain doesn’t take part? That doesn’t make sense.

3) The Philippine bench clearer too fast. There we players already up and ready. Just doesn’t make sense when your 30 down plus your bench wasn’t so involved in the game when it had blown out to 20, let alone 30.

Your down by 30 edging on 40. Can anyone else think of a way to win? All in brawl, everyone disqualified is the only way Phillipines can win unless they all get thrown out too. Hence the leaving 3 players out of the melee and ensuring your captain is there at the end.

The biggest problem with the boomers is a bench clearing drill. When the team manager, assistant coaches, physio and anyone else in a team role has 1 job during anything unruly occurs on court. Stop the players leaving the bench. You grab them, belt them, yell at them etc. just don’t let players get ejected. Good professional sides acknowledge the emotion in sport and plan against it. The Aussies huddled on the bench shows a team about business and the win was more important than feeling like you won a fight.

Sobey and Goulding should never have been ejected, neither even threw a punch to begin with, Maker literally launched on top of all the Filipino players who had the Aussie player pinned down, , for his trouble he got a cowards punch to the back of the head, he then spun around and defended himself against three other Filipino players who were about to get stuck into the gang mentality, he then ran from the area, he wasn’t swinging punches, in fact his comical attempt to kick his way out was actually giving him room to not get hurt, don’t think those long legged karate kicks even connected. Was he in the wrong? No , he was defending himself and his team mates, could he have handled it better? Sure but he 21 and he wasn’t using his brain just his instincts.

Should he be suspended , no way, Kickert is the onlynAissie player that needs reprimanding, the entire Philippines team including the officials and the coach need suspending, with many of them given a long suspension, and the assistant coach and a couple of those players need a lifetime ban, especially the tool who wasn’t t even playing that smashed Sobey across the jaw.

If BA allow FIBA to penalise any other player than Kickert, then they need to rethink and re evaluate their policies

The Philippines should be stripped of the World Cup hosting rights.

"Kickert deserves a long suspension. Maker deserves more than a wrap on the knuckles."

If anyone deserves a wrap on the knuckles it's the guy who coward punched Sobey. That could have hurt.

Kickert deserves a long suspension. Maker deserves more than a wrap on the knuckles.

There are at least 5 Philipino's- some players and some others- who need a year off. Miss World Cup 2019.

What jurisdiction does FIBA hold? Can they suspend people from NBL or Phillipines national league? NBA? Or can they only suspend from international games?

I hope BA and Goulding and Sobey also notify FIBA that the assaults on these two players outside of the court surface are going to be a legal matter, and FIBA are the ones going to get their heads slapped for A- permitting a country such as the Philippines, known the world over for their corruption and violence to hold this tournament
And B- for having FIBA authorised officials participating in the attack

Longley did everything he is suppose to do. He will have no issues. Coaches are allowed to leave the bench area to assist in stopping the fight.

To make things clear for the Philippine team, this does not allow punching or kicking people nor using chairs against them.

The only problem with this incident 5 years from now is it will be harder to locate on YouTube. Unfortunately the whole of you tube is full of Gilas Pilipinas and hitting people.

Stop talking to yourself, Carl.

Maker only defended his team mates. 2 games ban for him is more appropriate

HAHAHA. I hope her boyfriend didn't mind. Divorced her years ago

Boob squeezing is sex when you get to my age buddy

If ever I murder someone and need a defence lawyer, there's people in this thread I'm calling, and others I'm definitely not. It's all in the fine print fellas.

My take on this is that how it goes for Kickert is going to determine how it goes for the Gila Monsters. Someone from the Aussies is going to have to be sacrificed for them to come down heavy on the Filos. That's just how the world works. If they go easy on one they'll have to go easy on both

Not saying that's just or fair. It just is what it is

None of it is justifiable.

For me
Kickert 6 months
Maker 5 games
Any none player who threw punches and/or chairs - Life
Players who ran on and threw punches and/or 6 - 12 months
Players on court who threw punches 6 months
Pogoy 5 games
Philippines stripped of 2023 World Cup and not allowed to host any FIBA matches for 12 months - all home games to be played at neutral venue.

They should get Cricket Australia to run the tribunal. Capital punishment will be brought back

the Difference is Phillipines has only just returned to FIBA ball after a lengthy ban. They will likely double the time now.

the best line in this whole thread is calling a forearm shove a "life threatening mma move".
I pissed my pants a little bit reading that.

Oh and Sobey being ejected lol,never seen such a farce in all my time watching sport... That would be like say the bloke who decked dermott brereton not being sent but Derm in the 89 VFL Grand final..

Confidentiality stuff BS, that is PR stuff to sweep it under the carpet. So now the public might never find out the charges etc.. Phills is hosting the 2023 WC with inonesia and japan, i think there will be a bit of office politics played out behind closed doors where Phills asian nations will stick up for them.. And such a large market eg Asia$, FIBA$ don't wanna piss off as they want there business$.. Plus no blowback of racism allegations etc.. It will swept under the carpet etc, FIBA don't wanna upset there massive Asian market$, don't bite the hand that feeds you BS..

piss off carl.
go to your philipino forum.

is it possible to geo block Manila on this site ?

Still amazes me that some people are defending the indefensible.

The charges being confidential doesn't bode well for the integrity of proceedings.

It was more the throwing the chair at a player thing than the selfie, but yeah.

You dont think Kickert embarrassed the nation but you want a life ban for the selfie guy....ok then...

IMO what happened to Sobey and Goulding is less a FIBA issue and more of a legal issue. Outside of that, Kickert and possibly Maker (a few games at the very most in the context of when he did what he did) should be the only Aussies penalised. I expect lengthy suspensions for most of the Philippines squad, and a life ban for Mr Chair & Selfie at best.

The series of assaults on Sobey were the most disturbing...the intent to cause harm was very high.

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