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FIBA to announce AU-PH brawl sanctions this afternoon

Good luck to him!

I guess it'll be in the Phillipines Court System.

It's not like there isn't a shit ton of pretty undeniable evidence that Goulding & Sobey were assaulted so the case shouldn't be hard to prove but then the Phillipines Players/Coaches & Fans have a pretty good reason for such poor behavior that should be a pretty locked tight way out in a court of law.

BUT THE STICKERS!!!!!!

Good luck with finding an impartial jury

Good on him, Goulding should do the same.

Just been told Sobey has lawyered up and is suing.

FIBA are looking after a World Cup host quite simply. Too much hassle and not enough demand from alternative hosts to strip them of it.

Bit more info in this story ($33,954 for the decals):

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/basketball/basketball-australia-could-appeal-goulding-ban-fine-20180720-p4zsq5.html

Likely to cost BA a lot to appeal, and what would they appeal?

If they appeal that the Philo’s sentences are too lenient, I wouldn’t fancy their chances of success, and it could certainly backfire.

If they leave it as is, they probably have a bit of in-principle support from the other Asian associations; if they appeal and come across as the rich white bullies, the other Asian associations will rush to get behind the Philos

Basketball Australia Statement

The Board of Basketball Australia met today to consider the sanctions imposed by the FIBA Disciplinary Panel against the Australian Boomers and the national federation.

Following the meeting, Chief Executive Anthony Moore said: “Given the seriousness of this matter, Basketball Australia is giving careful consideration about the appeal process for these sanctions. While we indicated yesterday that it was unlikely that we would appeal, the Basketball Australia Board discussion today considered a range of options on this matter. We will receive further advice before making a determination on whether to proceed.”

Under FIBA rules Basketball Australia has 14 days to appeal.

ENDS

The sense is FIBA smashed the Gilas (not enough) and were appropriate with the Boomers. The country most at fault got the bulk of the game suspensions and the bulk of the monetary fines.

bada bing bada boom!

Goulding saw it coming and took the opportunity to put a whole lot of extra mustard on it. That type of thing might be worth a tech but it's not worth a suspension and it's not a valid reason for violence to erupt either.

Big difference between Drmics 55kg benchpress chest comes brushing up against you compared to a wild feral Filipino throwing arms and elbows at you

Basketball Australia has the right to request the full reasons for decisions under the FIFA disciplinary rules. They should do so.

After receiving those full reasons, they can then assess whether an appeal is suitable.

Can't believe Goulding is getting so much hate here. Yes, he normally flops quicker than almost anyone in the league, but to suggest this incident was flopping is showing your own personal bias.

And I completely agree Paul. But you, I and the rest of the human race know he milked it

"There is a certain degree of evasion, pulling the head back, where you must fall to the ground. It might pejoratively called a flop, but given the context, it is very much a reasonable defensive move."

rjd I always enjoy your posts and you come across as an intelligent human but my friend those comments are a large dose of horseshit to the nth degree (no emojis but I'm saying that with a smile on my face and not in anger)

Goulding is a known flopper and he exaggerated the contact 100% with no question of a doubt. He got hit but he milked it as he always does. Review the footage and see the "Oh f%ck what have I done?" look on his face when he sees how Kickert reacts while he's on the floor.

That being said, it no way excuses what follows and I don't believe it's worthy of suspenion. But mate....he flopped

Reality says - "Its a simple fact that outside the bubble of Australia bball violence and poor crowd/offical behavior happens every week in the European/Asian & South American basketball leagues so in a global context we need to lighten up and understand this stuff happens and hopefully we appeal and get the bans and fines reduced."

I disagree with your characterization. Every week we see bench clearing, thrown chairs, assaults by officials? Every week? No!

What we saw in Manila was the most violent and frightening assault on Australian national players in ANY international sport in living memory. How Goulding and Sobey escaped more serious injury is a miracle.

I for one are not going to "lighten up". What occurred in Manila was extraordinary - and appeals to us to "lighten up" work to normalize such misconduct.

The PHL could have used this occasion as an opportunity to reform their sport - which is well known for its endemic corruption and malfeasance. Strong FIBA action could have assisted this process. Yet what have we seen since the Manila incident?

The fascist PHL coach and gangster officials have doubled down on their actions/attitudes in the weeks since the incident. That PHL have the gall to appeal to FIBA for its light touch penalties is consistent with their victim mentality and abject failure to accept responsibility for their actions. The selfies are still going on. They must be laughing their arses off.

With FIBA unwilling to provide a safe workplace, Australian players should take their own actions and boycott matches located in this despotic place.

Yeah well if I'm an NBA player any glimmer of me turning out in these FIBA qualification games would be dead in the water. Also if I'm a team like the Bucks I'm turning around and saying no to releasing Delly etc. in future similar comps. It's already hard enough to get NBA players to get them here and then we get a light handed reaction like this creating even more worry for NBA teams.

Regarding PHI being able to pay the fine; easily. They have some pretty large commercial $ behind them. They're in a better state financially than I think anyone knows.

That outcome is utterly ridiculous. It provides virtually zero deterrence for the shit the Philippines pulled. Why do we even bother with FIBA?

Andray Blanche at 6ft 10 & probably 140kg lands that absolute coward/dog act punch on Sobey from behind, I seriously doubt that Sobey is alive today or worst case scenario is in a vegetative state. Blatche is extremely lucky to get only 3 games in his suspension from FIBA, the big fool is lucky that he doesn’t know how to throw a punch!

Goulding deserved more than 1 game for viciously headbutting multiple Philippine player's and staff's fists and feet while laying on the ground.......

How the guy who punched Sobey get's the same suspension as Kickert is beyond belief.

I think they got the Australian suspensions right except for Goulding.

The Philippine suspensions though are nothing more than a slap on the wrist for their display. Gutless by FIBA in my eyes.

The fine to BA. If the brawl doesn't happen then the fine for pulling off the decal doesn't occur. This is completely reactionary and FIBA clearly didn't look at the incident in isolation. By their thinking, if the Australian bench had ran into the fight then the Phillipines would have copped a heavier suspension for inciting the Australian bench.

Totally ridiculous and embarrassing by the governing body

At the rate we're going " " will be a racial slur soon.

Oh, and his name is Dazz.

AD getting real classy with the racial slurs tonight

I want to see Refs decking bench players as they try and get on the court. With a year suspension in the balance, its well worth their effort to stop any brawl with as much force at their disposal.

Sobey is the unluckiest man alive. Gets head butted twice in the Grand Final series and is the only one ejected.

Gets smashed with a chair and punched to the face after tugging on a shirt to stop a player getting jumped, gets ejected. On review found to have not even being worth a fine.

The sad thing from Basketball Australia perspective. Aussie mums and dads are getting an increase in fees getting filtered down to the grass roots to cover this $135k fine. BA board and CEO won’t be paying out of their own budgets.

The result of this clearly corrupt investigation is so ridiculous it isn’t really worth talking about. FIBA making FIFA look good.

And Anon suggesting Goulding deserved it - you’re a genuine fuckwit.

Violence and thuggery is well known in the domestic PHL league and the behavior of their clownish coach and hangers-on officials during the melee is consistent with "local character".

I have been told this by an import pro who has played in SE Asian league for a few years now. He said to me that Goulding/Kickett had it coming to them, given the local culture.

But the match being played in Manila was a FIBA sanctioned international match, not a domestic grade match.

And international teams playing the PHL national team should expect that PHL basketball admin has its act together; that its coach won't incite violence; that its bench won't empty; that its officials won't join in the assaults.

The FIBA penalties for the PHL coach and officials are far too lenient.

The following message needs to be given - the onus is on PHL to lift the standard of their behavior when playing in international comps; the onus is NOT on international teams (and FIBA) to LOWER their admin standards to PHL domestic grade levels.

FIBA basically saw this as an opportunity to earn $350K. These fines do nothing to stop future incidents.

Joke organisation.

Shame Longley didn't get a few punches in considering the paltry penalties. Incredibly short sighted penalties by FIBA that will end up coming back to haunt them... If a coach can throw a chair at a player and get 3 games, what's going to stop similar incidents from escalating to that ridiculous point in the future?

Coach Joseph Uichico was the coach who slammed the chair down on Goulding then laid a few punches while he was down, he got 3 games.

FIBA an absolute joke. Simply pathetic.

Why hand out stiffer penalties to the refs than those given to the cowardly players & officials who assaulted the Australian players.

Players should pursue criminal &/or civil action over the incident.

I don't have too many issues with the suspensions but the $$$$ amounts are crazy IMO.
FIBA Head Office Christmas Party is gonna be lit this year.

Or will Tracey Holnes double down and publicise some random observer’s accusations that the investigative process was racist because FIBA’s run by “western” nations???

Weak.

And so this answered my earlier question. Clearly FIBA either cannot or didn't want to suspend players from their domestic competitions.

I would've preferred separate penalties. Say 10 FIBA games and 15 domestic league games for those Filopinos who came off the bench and assaulted players.

That would be complicated by leagues though- 3 NBA games is equivalent to 1 NBL game given the season is 3* as long.

How does that work for the next FIBA window, can they bring additional players into the squad to play those games or only use players already nominated into their squad?

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/basketball/13-players-suspended-national-bodies-fined-as-fiba-issues-brawl-bans-20180719-p4zsga.html

Interesting re the ref penalties.

FIBA basically sending out a message that the refs had a higher degree of responsibility than the players, for not maintaining control.

The loss of home games and closed door game is appropriate.

I wonder if the Filipino association also has to submit revised risk assessments and risk management plans before they host another open door game? Security firm and personnel should also be changed. Bolted down seats?

Did Goulding get a game for getting his head smashed too much?

I’m just pleased that the forum is showing a fine understanding of time zones.

Love the GMT reference: It’s zulu time for announcements about a war zone.

The investigation also confirmed that no evidence of racist language was discovered, nor did it incite any of the incident, according to those with knowledge of the proceedings.

Carl mentioned many times that Aussies used racist language towards the philos.
The verdict has proved that carl spoke out of his ass.

Wow - referees cop way harsher punishments than any of the people who incited or committed violence.

SMH

Massive joke but expected soft crap from FIBA.
Didn’t want to do big penalties as it would just highlight how bad it was again.

Seems a bit light-on, although the fines are pretty heavy.

Phillipines: 10 players suspended.

Philippines

Players

Japeth Aguilar and Matthew Wright (1 game each)
Terence Romeo, Jayson Castro William, Andray Blatche and Jeth Rosario (3 games each)
Roger Pogoy, Carl Cruz and Jio Jalalon (5 games each)
Calvin Abueva (6 games, due also to prior unsportsmanlike behavior in a FIBA competition).

Coaches:
Joseph Uichico is suspended for 3 games for unsportsmanlike behavior. Head Coach Vincent ‘Chot’ Reyes is suspended for 1 game and shall pay a disciplinary fine of CHF 10,000 for inciting unsportsmanlike behavior.

Philippines will play the next home game behind closed doors while a ban for two more home games has been placed under a probationary period of 3 years. SBP shall also pay a disciplinary fine of CHF 250,000 ($338,160 AU).

Australia

Players

Chris Goulding (1 game),
Thon Maker (3 games)
Daniel Kickert (5 games)

Basketball Australia shall pay a disciplinary fine of CHF 100,000 ($135K AU) for the unsportsmanlike behavior of its players and for abusing and/or tampering of equipment, after having removed floor stickers from the court on the eve of the game.

The referees of the game shall be removed with immediate effect from the FIBA Elite Program and shall not be nominated to any international competitions organized or recognized by FIBA (including at Zone and Sub-zone level) for a period of one year.

Philippines got 10 suspensions and $335000 plus next home game behind closed doors.

Kickert 5 matches/ Maker 3 matches/ Goulding 1 match. BA $100,000.

I guess we will find out 7:00AM GMT.