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SEABL 2019

I can confirm the book value of the SEABL assets handed over to BA was in fact $256,243 (as per annual report).

Woah, @'Bigger Questions', I think that there could be a thread of its own if you can dig up some history or facts on the matter? Something often overlooked is the important stuff for the flashy stuff...

So three years ago, BA take over SEABL and book over $250,000 of assets (according to Annual Report of 2016), although I had heard that the amount was closer to 400,000. Run the competition for three years, and then shut it down- good money. A friend with a history in SEABL had been very vocal about not giving up the SEABL assets, but was ignored. Are there people who were involved with SEABL, now at BA, who should bear some responsibility?

wrong

Hardly a pot shot when it’s factually correct.

I don’t think pioneers will go down without fight, doubt this is over yet.

They were pioneers at not having a women's team.

Given that Ned guaranteed the future for all SEABL clubs I would expect some kind of reaction form the Pioneers. All is well in Victoria with a new version of SEABL with all clubs that applied other than Mount Gambier in. I am sure the Mount wish they had a women's team and had a few more than 4 days to submit how they could establish and sustain one.
BTW last time I looked NWT didn't have a women's team and Launceston no men's team and Sydney have been playing without a men's team. All much larger communities than Mount Gambier. Anyone that really knows how the Pioneers have operated would know that in times of need the community would rally behind the club. The work that the club and community have done in a short time shows their ability to establish a women's team and sustain it. After all it was this or extinction This from a population base of 25K. Looks like its extinction unfortunately. You summed it up well when you said "we all know that BA and BV are close"
30 years of history just wiped and you expect them to be diplomatic.

Teams have already signed imports to contracts. It would be a legal nightmare to change the rules now. Surely Big V are smart enough to realize that.

Just read pioneers press release , it exposes their own boards lack of planning and perhaps their own negligence in ignoring the importance of the women’s program. It’s one thing to say that BA didn’t insist they have a women’s team, but when everyone else has one and new applicants must demonstrate a plan to, well it suggests the pioneers board stuck their head in the sand and chose to ignore what was going on around them. Now their application to enter the new league fails because they can’t demonstrate an established women’s and it’s everyone else’s fault. Sorry pioneers board but you intent on chasing a men’s championship became all consuming and it is apparent that you were focussed on a team not a club

If no imports are allowed in lower divisions it will be who will get the best naturalised australian who used to be american.

Surely they can't restrict SCM to one import this late. Most teams will already have imports sorted etc.

The question over imports is not as clear as yes or no, it is very much needed at some Associations and not so much at others. Tough to make a call like yes/no on imports, however is worth its own discussion IMHO...

Not to mention what that import does for their local community / young kids in the area, for any Association that has one.

The only division in question will be if SCM can have 2 or 1 import, can't see why Div 1 and 2 would change anything and not allow imports at all.

Expect to see Big V SCM & W have their import restrictions changed from 2 to 1 only. This will cascade down to Div 1 & 2 not allowed to have any imports. A big plus in my eyes. Makes teams develop from within and those clubs not good enough in lower divisions who reply on an import to be competitive die a quick death.

Unless BA give the Big V League an exemption to the current FIBA rule. I Hope not.

When are BigV going to restructure SCM/SCW as a result of this?

So the top two tiers will be:

Super V
Big V

?

The pioneers committed to fielding a women’s team but couldn’t put one together before being accepted into the league. So they could never be successful with that reasoning.

Pioneers extended an invitation to apply for the new comp that was never a genuine invitation. BV were never going to let them join. As for BA they are a joke and completely controlled by BV. It’s a real shame for a fantastic club with 30 years of history. Enjoy playing in front of 100 people!

#712568 asked...

Excuse me all you basketball professionals so what
Happens to basketball pathway in the west. Not one team
Picked. A simple answer would be okay.

Seeing its NO different to what it has been the last 15 years... what answer do you want?

But they were still offered a spot (Tas Teams). So the reports were wrong that they weren't going to be.

If the new structure does in fact include promotion/relegation, then if your team missed out, they'll find their way in, and if a club is there that shouldn't be, they'll find their way out.
Either way, looking forward to seeing the new comp and what it provides.

Or we could just sit here and complain about the whole thing.

Which clubs in the west should be considered? Werribee? Keilor?

I think they're talking about western Melbourne suburbs, rather than regional locations in the west like Ballarat or Geelong.

So where are all those people that "Confirmed" that the Tas teams were out ?
It is a pity about Mt Gambier, but at least we know now what the structure is of the new competition and can look forward to it.

Aside from MG, Canberra & Sydney, it's essentially the same SEABL competition. Something that was scoffed at by many.

It also raises the question of the rest of the Big V and how it will be made up, if Eltham, Waverly & Ringwood are going up ? Top couple of D1 go up? top couple of D2 go up ? Will State Champ still be known as that ?

Excuse me all you basketball professionals so what
Happens to basketball pathway in the west. Not one team
Picked. A simple answer would be okay.

Are there 2 spots left open in each for the Tassie teams?

Are Geelong Div 1 now not allowed to compete like everyone else?

Will the Big V structure below now change?

Coe will be in victoria then?

No MTG

18 teams - two conferences maybe???

Is this run by the Big V or BV? or both?

Waiting for more information - what a tease, you'd think for promotion and sponsors you'd line all your ducks up at once

To say they have no future straight away would be for them to throw in the towel and effectively say they want nothing to do with their own state. They need to sit down and have serious discussions with SA Basketball..,.....or throw in the towel

Whilst it’s sad for mount gambier , it forces them into discussions with their own state body, this might lead to an improved SA Basketball comp but the pioneers might need to suffer a bit of pain in order for the long term future of the sport in SA

Clubs have been informed.

if it is now being announced tonight how then is it that ringwood and waverly are definately confirmed in?

announced where or how?

4pm announcement

Anyone no how the clubs are to be informed or will it just be an announcement on media

Not exactly the news we are looking for...

.... but Frankston Blues have announced a new Senior Womens coach in "Basketball Victoria’s newly created league – Super V."

as per

http://blues.fdba.com.au/2018/10/30/blues-senior-women-coaching-announcement/


Interesting name of the league if so.

Has anyone heard anything?

Where will the announcement be made about the new league?

Population dynamics of city:towns in WA and SA aren't that much different.

WA has its majority of population in Perth with the largest town outside of it with 30K just like SA. And guess what? Its state league the SBL has country teams!

Basketball Victoria experiencing telephone outages - Basketball Victoria
http://basketballvictoria.com.au/basketball-victoria-experience-telephone-outages/

Haha, Basketball Victoria have on their website that they are experiencing phone outages.... sounds to me like emails have just been sent and the phones are off the hook!

wow, toughen up princess

So some people think its too tough to drive to MG once a year to play. MG have been driving to Melbourne, Bendigo Ballarat and Geelong for 30 years. When teams play in Tas they fly to Hobart and drive to NWT the next day to play. Tough league makes tough and competitive teams and players. Harden up.

Or MTG could just have their home games on Saturday nights, just like Mildura, Wodonga, Warrnambool, etc in Big V, no days off work needed.

Do you non south Australians realise that the premier league is a long way from a semi pro league? Do you realise it is not a state league but rather an Adelaide league? Do you realise that the largest centre outside of Adelaide has a population of just 28k? The Adelaide league is significantly different to “other state leagues” particularly Victorian leagues to which it is for some reason being compared?

if you are not so precious and drive to mt gambier it is far less than the 10k!!!

if you are silly enough to think the only option is to fly if you just book more than 30days in advance (not hard as there will be a fixture) tickets are $129.

mtg should not have to contribute to flight costs when teams can drive. if they want to fly no issue but surely has to b at there own costs just like bendigo who have been know to charter a flight.

Up until last season when SEABL changed the arrangements, the Pioneers had always driven to Melbourne to play. BTW they had the best road record over 5 years doing this. No big deal and not very expensive.

"$10,000 for a trip to Mt Gambier...." hahaha

yes most clubs did fly into mt gambier when there were equalisation payments. however there is no real need to do so. if costs are a concern and without equalisation payments those clubs can drie. as said above its only a 4.5 hour trip.
do you think that mt gambier flew to melbourne and all other venues? even with equalisation this wasnt the case. mt gambier was able to travel on the road to their games but teams have to fly in to play them? mt gambier did have some trips by plane. eg tassie trip, canberra trip each year and one two others but predominately they drove to their games.