Hoops

NBL full of floppers: Bogut

I reckon you could make quite a strong team out of the guys who have a reputation for flopping and kicking their legs out - provided they actually concentrated on PLAYING rather than the other skill they're known for.

For starters:
Ware
Cotton
Goulding
Wagstaff
Bogut

Other nominations?

E-mailing you right now Bear. xoxoxo

Oops, can you fix that Isaac.........?

The thing about flopping and the 'no charge' calls or letting it go as many ref's tend to suggest they do is that the end result is exactly what is being debated.

Funny thing about that is where most of the flopping and charging issue is centred around, which is of course the paint.

I have at times challenged the officiating, not to criticise it unfarely, but to encourage the contact to be called when it should be and for the paint to be an area where fouls are actually called so players can play with more freedom.

I get it, they are big burly blokes and don't mind some banging of the body, but the interpretation of rules changes in the paint, the end result of this is the symptoms of 'no charge' v 'flop' and it won't change until the officiating starts to be done according to the rules, not an inconsistent interpretation of them...

I have never liked the call! the flopping warning then the subsequent tech(s).

Why call anything other than a foul (if there is one)(and I don't mean calling a flop as a tech either, let it go)? If a player flops and play is allowed to continue, it is the flopper's team that suffers, who now have to play 4 on 5 or a fast break scenario with a loose man on O.

Besides that, I honestly think, sitting in my chair and watching the action, that a lot of flops aren't that at all. I don't mean that they are all fouls but simply that players do lose balance at pace, sometimes the slightest touch can send you tumbling, heck, we even applaud when a cross-over "breaks ankles" and the defender falls, do we want those called as flops? Let it go. If a player wants to accentuate his flop by staying down and playing really, really hurt, blow the whistle, insist on an "injury" sub for the "flopper" (once again his team suffers) and get on with the game (if the downed player is really hurt, he should be glad to get off and fixed up and back after treatment). Self regulation may save this issue in the end.

And then the game can flow again as everyone says they want.

Of course he flopped! Jawai goes harder than that just opening his lunchbox.

CG floppy 3. Where are you?

To be fair to those who said Bogut was flopping today, he did say he was thinking about joining in.

Video review??? It's always been a part of the game and to suspend someone is ridiculous. Have a full blown brawl internationally and they just get a few games for that. Refs just need to watch the prime suspects and call them, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

Video reviews after each game.

First offense: Warning.

Second offense: Fine.

Third offense: Miss a game.

3 strikes, you're out. If they really want to stamp it out, this would be very effective.

Come on guys, whenever a superstar player says something like this it is with a clear agenda towards getting some calls to go his way, really.....obvious!

Says Bogut with the big flop today on Jawai.

Interestingly, Torrey Craig was asked recently about whether the NBL was physical and he said:

“Yes, it is. It is a lot more physical, and they allow a lot more (contact) than the NBA."

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/10/4/17938264/how-torrey-craigs-path-through-the-nbl-has-shaped-his-game-in-the-nba

I think that tells the story of NBL refs have traditionally let go the niggly type of contact which should be called, where they often call incidental contact on bigs that should be let go.

Bogut's been flopping for a lot longer than he's been in the NBL:

Agreed, but he also flopped today. Either he's a hypocrite or thought if I can't beat them I'll join them instead. Utterly useless refs, disgusting really.

As a scenario: If an player is dribbling on offence, the defensive player comes in and prods the ball loose making the ball leave the hands of the offensive player. The offensive player scrambles to get the ball back, and in doing so, taps/hits the ball to his advantage with TWO hands. Is this considered a double dribble? Technically, there was no "control" of the dribble as the offence player was tapping to his own advantage. Or does this rule apply regardless of whether control was there or not?