Hoops

Hawks v United 8 Nov

The stupid thing is McCarron could have avoided the entire situation by putting one foot in the back court before catching the ball, instead of trying the balancing act.

OK, managed to dig out FIBA's examples of the new rule, which contains this statement:

"A live ball has been illegally returned to the backcourt when a team A player who is completely in the frontcourt, causes the ball to touch the backcourt, after which a team A player is the first to touch the ball either in the frontcourt or backcourt."

This suggests the play last night was a violation. But then further along it gives a really explicit example, which says it is in fact legal, so I got this one wrong:

"A1 in his backcourt passes the ball to A2 who is in his frontcourt. A2 touches the ball
which returns to A1 who is still in the backcourt.
Interpretation: Legal play. A2 has not yet established control of the ball in his frontcourt."

"If this was a inbound pass in the front court the shot clock would not start ruining until United took control."

United take control of the ball when the referee hands it to the inbounder in that situation.

If 'catching' actually means a complete catch then it wouldn't need to be added to the definition, because someone who completes a catch is 'holding' the ball. It's an interesting one because the new definition certainly could have been worded better.

what time in the game was this?

By my reading the definition of control in this instance includes attempting to catch it (the standard definition of control is holding or dribbling but that now includes catching for crosscourt violations), which was the case here.

The three points of contact was introduced for the situation of a player dribbling the ball across half-court, to combat the trend of defenders trying to pump them back whilst they were straddling the line.

You have to have control of the ball in the front court. McCarron never had control.

"Nope everything has to go over the half way line, including the ball. The ball never crossed the line"

Just watching this game now, ball is over the halfway line once McCarron touches it with both his feet over the half. Unbelievable missed call, not surprisingly Chris Reid again! Whenever there's a howler good chance it's Reid or Chapman, they just seem to make a habit of it.

I missed this one.

Any mention of how CG's knee is going?

You could have said ....last time they played in the Gong there was more overtime than you would find on a Macedonian steelworker's pay docket..

I don't mind him either. Uh oh Perth fans coming at us in 3, 2, 1...

God I just love Brian Conklin and his 'fuck you' game style

"Maybe if united keep running up high foul counts it's because they are consistently fouling...."

This. Dean Vickerman's teams have finished 1st in fouls every year he has coached in the league. I personally think Melbourne are lucky not to be whistled more, they certainly push the envelope with the way they go about it, just like many championship teams before them.

Noice Hawks.

I rate Louise.

There are some very insulting comments about the referees being made but I was taught the bloke with the whistle is always right.

I genuinely enjoy watching any team in the league play, but damn that final quarter was the toughest thing I've ensured so far in to the season.

Offense was turrible.

Do those guys in green get paid? I sure hope not!

Maybe if united keep running up high foul counts it's because they are consistently fouling....

Home Cooking League sponsored by Hungry Jack's. Wait, what?

3 absolutely terrible fouls on Kennedy and he’s fouled out. This league is a joke.

just a matter of time before the hawks roll over

Shocking calls, and a few obvious make-up calls, but that doesn’t excuse United’s poor play.

United are proving to me that they’re a confidence team - they have really tightened up and look scared to shoot from outside. Not filling me with confidence for the finals right now.

And wtf was Vickerman thinking when he had only one decent (read confident) shooter on in the 3rd quarter?

League-wide conspiracy to get Illawarra into the playoffs

Shocking calls again in this game - definitely favouring hawks.

Hawks best play is giving it to the big fulla near the hoop

Backcourt????

+1 Anon 553.

Vote #1 Jack Toft.

sorry mate..... work day and a crazy week at work so far, so I haven't been able to deliver....

Jack Toft, the other day I gave you credit for being one of those most ingenious posters on here. Someone who I try to seek out in game threads to see what gold you come up with. And this is what you deliver today? My life is over.

Market has Hawks firming and Utd drifting in price. Interesting.

I literally forgot all about this game. Wow!

This is the natural cycle...we're in what, round 4 now?

First couple of rounds, watch heaps of bball, eagerly anticipate every game...

Melbourne by 20.

Could see this one going either way..

Last time they played in the Gong, quad-druple over-time

Could see this one going either way..