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Any news on Mt Gambier joining SCM?

Magical state league wouldn’t include teams outside of SA for a start

886 on the money! Plain and simple.

By saying plain and simple, again, not saying this isn’t an absolute balls up of a situation and people shouldn’t be upset.

No one is saying they haven’t been absolutely shafted.

Moving forward a solution is possible for BSA to have a state league

"Of course it can be done..."

... in SA.

Correct.

Haha hows this clown. “I’m wrong but everyone else it wronger!”

Anon please go let your parents know they forgot to switch the internet off and go to bed.

Also to iamverysmart poster above, from Basketball Australia “As a referee or umpire (yes, there is one of each, however their duties are almost identical)”.

Almost like it really doesn’t matter what you call them.

Anonymous - and further more!
To suggest that the Pioneers have not produced a player of PL standard is a slight on a number of players and incorrect. 2 Locally born and bred players more than held their own at SEABl level this season, starting and putting up good numbers on a number of occasions. Others have moved to Adelaide and played premier league including a number of young women. Two Pioneers developed players have made Australian junior teams and squads, one leading a national u/18 championship in scoring and many have repped SA at u/20 level. The Pioneers certainly have recruited from Adelaide which clearly makes sense as all SEABL clubs have recruited from outside their areas. The Pioneers have provided fringe and potential NBL players the opportunity to play at a high level - mostly South Australians. Not sure what is negative about this. This avenue to higher level competition is now over. Many losers in this.

Wasn’t me that wrote it, but keep feeling superior because of it champion

“That would be referees not umpires”

Shut up please

In the SBL of WA Kalgoorlie is even further away from Perth than MtG are from Adelaide. It can be done.

Albury/wodonga* bandits......

So maybe this is a good opportunity for BSA to grow and make it a state league?

Why can't the rebel clubs form an unsanctioned leave, to be honest I'm totally ignorant as to why. Rugby League did, cricket did. If clubs with cash such as the Mount set it up, have venues, get refs etc, why not. Or is the tail wagging the dog with BA saying you can't do it.
Surely this could provide framework for a 2nd division national league. Have pioneers, tassie, a few Victorian, nsw, Queensland and even a New Zealand. Have 6 teams, home and away and then have a neutral venue that other towns can host and pay travel costs.

John knows what’s going on!

I think you'll find a good chunk of Vics would happily accommodate MtG in their competition. For whatever reason, the Elite & BigV have chosen otherwise. So be it. AS I've written before, I'd have liked to see it.

Me, and I'm sure a lot of other people, specifically Victorians I suppose, are blown away by the unwillingness of anyone else in SA to help an SA club and place all the blame on Vic. Yet they don't even have a competition to accommodate a town in their own state ?

And #741
Seriously ? The suggestions that SA run a state league, similar to what is working across the rest of the country is "Ridiculous" because of 100 point blowouts? That's your argument ?
- As someone mentioned above, if an SA Metro club can suit 3 x NBL players, I'm sure they'd compete ok against Mt Gambier. IF they kept their same roster.
- So you have your 10 existing teams + Mt Gambier. That's a good start wouldn't you say ? A second division could then be created for other clubs and to get their foot in the door and go from there. I know it sounds "Ridiculous", but it might just work, considering it does in the other States.Even if their are teething problems.

The fact is, you have BV saying "MtG have no place in our comps", with the South Australians hurling abuse over the border, but also saying "MtG have no place in our comp".

Again as stated , similar to tassie not having their own state league, Canberra do not either.

Donald trump sir, I’m Mexican, live in Mexico, but right on the border, can I just be American?

What part of Mt Gambier playing in Victoria makes them a part of a national competition?

Yet didn’t play in SA

Why weren’t Mt Gambier “SA’s own” up until now?

Why would they keep the same standard of player, surely they would lose better players to stronger leagues. There for reducing playing talent and bringing them back to the pack.

This might be BA fault for pulling the pin, but I just find it strange that a home state association isn't willing to stick up for its own

No it doesn't, but it should.
Which is on BSA to provide. Not BV.
If the state governing body cannot supply a competition for its member associations to compete in, then there needs to be some vicious change sin the way Basketball in SA operates.
Blaming Vic Basketball for the BSA's short comings in running the game there is the true deflection.
WA, QLD, NSW, VIC all seem to be able to run a state based basketball competition.

What's SA's excuse ?

Agreed.

Interesting that some (I assume) South Australians here cite that BV have "shafted" MtG by refusing to let them play, yet are also stating that the Adelaide clubs also refuse to let them play, but don't need to be held accountable? It's just BV's fault.

BV's priority is towards its member Associations. Unlike others on here, I don't claim to know what's going on behind the scenes, so for whatever reason the Tas clubs have been admitted to play. I would assume this would be because they wouldn't have a viable State League to compete in.

Mt Gambier do. Whether or not they are "allowed" to by the Adelaide clubs or BSA, or whoever, is not BV's responsibility, or problem.

Blame BV all you want. BSA & the other SA Clubs are the ones letting MtG down.

Haven't heard much from BNSW or the Waratah League complaining about the addition Canberra trips ?

Then this is sad. And no one is disagreeing that this is a terrible situation.


Reflects terribly that Adelaide teams won’t travel once a season, god forbid may even have to drive their own cars in a semi pro league.

Reflects terribly that a state body can’t accept a club within their own state.

Reflects terribly that the new league took teams from tassie and not SA.

BigV can’t exactly go and change a constitution for one season to suit a team out side of Victoria, change name to BigV+1?
Again look at D2 bigV, Mildura trip has been a staple for nearly a decade now.
Not all D2 clubs are flying guys up, some fly, some bus, some even drive.

SBL in Perth with Kalgoorlie etc.

BA, BV and BSA have all screwed this up majorly, but as always, no consequences will come of it.

Read above,

Most likely because there is no alternative within their state.

Again, not saying this isn’t bs and mt gambier aren’t getting the raw end of it it.

But it’s done, how long do you sit and cry about it before you find a solution to the current situation? The possible solution is to join the league, within the state they are currently in?

Blame to people who put you in this situation all you want, it won’t change anything unfortunately. No matter how right you are.

the pioneers have done that sort of stuff for every year of their existence. a couple of people movers load em up fill em up with fuel and off you go. some trips to ballarat and geelong (4 hours each way) they drive over play the game and coaches or managers drive home. when to melbourne and have double headers have stayed in cheap motels. it is very hard but can have great bonding experiences for the team.

this occurs every year for pioneers depending on the draw sometimes a couple of weekends in a row.

unless you are bendigo and you charter your own flight road travel was king for regional teams.

I think we all agree that they have been shafted. But they can exist if the precious Adelaide metro clubs would be willing for a road trip once a season. Not ideal, but that’s the only way now they can survive.

Didn’t realise they were professionals.

Why should players have to wear the brunt of petrol for that long road trip. Sure a bus could be hired but imagine that would cost a fair bit for 20+ people for a round trip. Depending on the setup having 2 to a room is ok, but having to cram players in a room is amateur. And this bullshit of sleeping on a floor, yeah, that's a great idea.

have you looked at the size of sa? and i dont mean area i mean population and basketball numbers?

this is all just ridiculus the only answer is pioneers in elite league. can not be justified why this shouldnt be the case

imagine SA Basketball looked after a SA Club?

Victoria stepped in to assist with Tassie which for the size of the state would be silly to have a league of its own (does it have a state league? I assume so)

Hmmm, so about $80 per person for flights and accommodation. What are they doing, taking hot air balloon and camping in tents. Going from morphett vale to gawler would cost all the players around 2 grand in petrol.

Not all clubs are flush with money. As mentioned in previous posts, the cost of flying at least 24 players, coaches and support staff plus accommodation for 1 game is ridiculous. Not all clubs have huge junior programs where they can siphon off money from fees to support the seniors. So guess where this extra money will come from, probably junior fees of course.
What BA has done is terrible, but should it be up to Adelaide clubs to pick up the pieces.

Do you think bigV D2 clubs are flush with money to travel to Mildura every season?

So have a bye then?

Then this is a BSA issue as to why a club within SA isn’t allowed into their league. Not victoria’s BigV, didn’t meet criteria for new league due to women’s.

I think it’s as shit as anybody else and that they should have gotten into new league , even bigV as they only have 9 teams in SCM. But they haven’t and BSA should grow a pair and stop the tail wagging the dog.

Tas teams have no viable alternative as their state league is terrible. Mount Gambier are in south Australia, so they have the premier league. That is the difference

If had a proven women program would be in. Pretty cut and dry

I feel for MTG

#451 - Have said before don't know much about the SA side of it. But find it somewhat hypocritical of a league/club/whoever to say "they can't come and play in our league because of A, B & C" for a club in their own state yet throwing mud at BV for not admitting them.
If BV excluded Mildura from their competitions because of one reason or another, would everyone expect BSA to jump in and save the day for Mildura?

#450 - Would fielding a competitive womens side in a new elite league be the bone of contention though ? I mean, having to build one from scratch with the season starting in 4 months would not be an easy task. If Mt Gambier could do this in such a short period of time, hen why have they not created a womens team prior to this ? Genuione questions, as I have no knowledge of their workings.

#448 - What did the Victorian clubs do to "hijack" the league ?

The exclusion of MG from the elite comp after they were invited to apply and met all criteria and more is the problem in all of this.
The pioneers have proven their ability with performance and deserved the opportunity to show the same with a women's team. They are well run, financially sound, don't take money out of local basketball and were well on way to putting a good women's team together.
Yes they are isolated but certainly travel has not proven an obstacle for them or oponents in the past. 30 years must count for something.
I would have thought any competition wanting to put an "elite" tag on it would be doing everything possible to have the best performed men's team included. 5 of last 6 national finals - 3 championships. 13/2 play-off record over 5 seasons. Are the pioneers being punished for doing things well????

only solution is pioneers into elite. if you are saying play in PL clearly shows you have no understanding of the whole circumstances. no reason why cant still be accepted into elite. the application process changed throughout so just change it again. time for BA to grow a set.

wrong. pioneers would have has womens team in elite was included in application and financed. however exceptions have been made all of the league for others ie nwt dont have a womens team, lauceston dont have a mens and common sense sort of prevailed there. albury one year licence to get there house in order as they have proven for many years they cant have a competitve womens teams. financial issues also maybe? but given a year to prove themselves in elite. remeber pioneers are the only seabl team who applied (camberra and sydney women didnt) who did not get in. BA created the problem (cyncial view maybe at political pressure from bv) by disbanding a strong viable long history league. in doing so they only club adversely affected is pioneers. disgusting.

"Letting Tassie Teams & Albury/Wodonga play"
- That's in the new Elite League. Not the Big V. Its been documented why they were't allowed in the new Elite league, which I believe was due to parity in not having a womens team.

- I'm also not sure how BV cop the blame for this, when BSA don't sem to be doing much to help out a member organisation in their own state. The Big V, as also mentioned has a by-law, stipulating Vic only clubs, so it would have been an exception to let them play in it. It's not on the Big V to admit them when their own governing body wont help them.

- Many Vic clubs don't "own" their stadiums either. Many paying high court fees for use. Most of the money is made from their domestic comps/junior rep fees & sponsors.

Agree with you on the decision to exclude them from the VIC elite league. Strange one and hope it is not permanent.

I think it was the right call not to let them into the BIGV though. They are in another state, setting a precedent that probably shouldn't be set.

Issue is with BSA then and how they operate. Court hire isn’t cheap in vic either.whats a going rate for court hire for bsa clubs?

All well and good to say get better in order to compete against them, but majority of budgets here are dwarfed compared to theirs. They generate huge amounts of sponsorship. If they are brought back to earth with a salary cap then it would be fair.

Why was Albury (NSW) also allowed to join the new league?

Why can’t they just play in the SA league??!

Qbl - massive amounts of travel
Big v divisions have country trips
SEABL had them

I’m unfamiliar with NSW travel in their leagues.

If they dominate, guess what, everyone get better?

Just proving the long held view of south Aus around the rest of the country, your team is called the 36ers because it’s the average amount of years you are behind the rest of us.

Do we really want the Mount in the Premier League.
There's the cost and bother of going there albeit just once a season. Will their payroll be cut, otherwise they are just going to dominate the competition. If they do bring a women's team in they'll just recruit players locally probably and have to fly them out to play at home weakening the women's comp. I say its their problem.