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Chargers to withdraw from Vic Elite League

Are there BTAS people on here quoting the public comments of a co-conspirator and claiming it as proof? The joint BTAS/Huskies role in the south makes it very clear the direction things were heading and why certain decisions were made.

BTAS is paying for part of Stewart's contract, that certainly qualifies as funding. Had they offered that partnership to the Chargers, along with the right to run junior programs and academies, they would not have withdrawn their application to the VEL.

More likely because of a plan to remove the Chargers and allow the Huskies in their place.

Last couple of posts a bit of a worry! Some anons had a couple of drinks ladt night? Hope all ok

Love how memorandum of understanding do not matter

For the good of badketball; time to back it up

Righto 670 if the Chargers had 'held em' they were playing against a stacked deck.

Political games for no outcomes is just that cheap politics


Agree it is time to move on though

BTAS shoukd be using their apoarent political machiavellean ways to actually do some goid ie aecurw some courts in the south

Playing all junior games at Kingston aint the answer


Time for talking is over, they need to actually back up all their talk of 'good for basketball ' talk with some actual positive outcomes.

645? Have you read the release?

Are you ok with the revised rules not being offered to tbe Thunder and Tornadoes? Or just want the Chargers to take on btas and accept the blame?

The mou written by btas explicitly stated the chargers could not provide programs to under 18s - btas now have a partnership with the Huskies to do so, this is not Bartletts fault

Personalities aside, the statement says what all sports journos in Tassie should have been asking, why didn't BTAS offer these partnerships, or a variation of, to the existing clubs?

Cheers anon # 323, no doubt as in most conflict fault on both sides.

If btas were not making righteous divisive calls and were asking others what is actually the good of basketball the conflict would not keep kickin along. BTAS direct not act strategically.

Time to go and play a game of ball

So there seems to be no issue with the MOU then if it's alright for the Kings then?

Anon 269 I was referring to


Last anon - not sure what aWrong means or is referring to

Oh 261; apologies.

Know that court very well.....time to move on; be good to focus on the needs of bball instead of the silly politics

Chargers aren't even a proper association under BTAS. That's the funny part.
A money grab by BTAS. They made $10000 profit on the back of a successful year. if there was to be a newxt year they would be lucky to even make the finals. Clearly no thoughts for the women at all. let alone the volunteers, public and sponsors.
The MOU could have been negotiated. The Chargers followed Jim's ideas.
Anyway it's all done now. Move on. Plenty of spare time for the Board now. That will look good on their CV.

Oh - so you do not have that issue 224; let me guess Launceston? So you have no issue with the Academy's but happy for BTAS have an mou saying they can not be run - still have not answered the question.

Coaches support / player support should be stratregic direction

It was not the only issue and you know it - as Paul says it is bigger than that

Stupidity ? Read some of the correspondence

222 let me guess - close to BTAS?

Do you agree with no programs for under 18s?

"AS McCoy said on the radio the other day the MOU is a piece of paper and legally unenforceable."

Without an MOU with BTAS would BVIC let them play in the new league? If not then the MOU is a lot more than a legally unenforceable piece of paper, it was vital to the Chargers' survival.

Evidence of divide and conquer winning out in 218 / 219 anon, sure i know where you are at

Continued personal cheap shots at Bartlett. Very defensive and immature.

Again - are you ok with the mou saying no prorgrams for under 18??. Please answer.

BTAS have also used 'lawyers in correspondence with CAMs.


BTAS should be governing not directing, this means being strategic and allocating resources / work appropriately.

is not permitted to run development (acadamies) for athletes under the age of 18.'

From the mou

Divide and conquer with the cams / btas /chargers

Selfish politics at its worst

"Are you ok with BTAS stipulating in the MOU -The Chargers are not to run programs for athletes under 18???"

If that's true there need to be some serious questions asked as to why. What possible justification can there be for denying young athletes access to a high-performance program?

Last couple of posts -cheap shots without knowledge.

Are you ok with BTAS stipulating in the MOU -The Chargers are not to run programs for athletes under 18???

BTAS state that the Chargers did some things well ie win but were doing programs and work for the good of basketball -they said in the mou they can not run the program. Can't have it both ways.

BTAS is sposed to be the governing body for the sport in the state it has not asked those involved their thoughts -they direct.

This is divisive and not sustainable.

There is a lot still to play out

many board memebrs have kids playing hoops. What were they thinking.

They killed Rex.

#1903 - easily amused, sure you know the make up of the board. It is not representative.

Bwhahahaha! You guys are so funny! Talk about the pot and the kettle. Is there actually a Board at BTAS? I thought it was all run by the CEO! And you talk about Bartlett having an ego! I’m rolling on the floor laughing my self silly!

Ask Bartlett or one of the Board members for the books. It should be available publicly surely?
He was on ABC radio tonight and quoted a different set of debt and profit! So what are we meant to believe when he clearly doesn't know himself?

"Anon 689 that is not the case re the Chargers academy's. ...BTAS sent out correspondence having cheap shots at it."
I never mentioned the Academy at all. During the seasons BTAS has paid the Chargers to run clinics on their behalf. Bartlett failed to mention that on the radio today as well. See the bias? Now it's a campaign against BTAS and their so called bullying of kids and parents.

Change the subject why don't you Bartlett.

Anon 689 that is not the case re the Chargers academy's. ...BTAS sent out correspondence having cheap shots at it.

The academys threatened the way btas run fdp programs erc cheaper, run well and no travel. A

So where is the debt of $140000 on the books? Nowhere

Chargers believed they were compliant with the entry into the new competition. That is also wrong. Seems like a lot of mis information everywhere. On both sides.

At the end of the day the Chargers are done forever. Wouldn't negotiate. 3 months to get it right or at least like Janie F sit down to the table and accept that you can work it out to we can have a side and a career path. The same as THunder.

Shame on you #269 - shame! You talk of fiscal responsibility yet you clearly don’t understand the books! Ridiculous misinformation. You need to go back to Accounting 101 based on your analysis. Profit, loss and debt are completely different concepts. Profit/loss ultimately goes to increase or decrease equity as retained earnings which in future years can invest in assets or create the need for greater liabilities. Look at the balance sheet for the assets, liabilities (debt) and equity, not the profit and loss statement.

Your statements that the profits mean there was no debt when Bartlett started and that “a declared book profit of $50,000+ magically becomes a loss of $140k” (which you earlier described as the debt levels) demonstrate your lack of understanding.

The significant changes in the books are clear. Oh - and by the way - when a figure is in brackets, it means it is a negative result. Your small 2016 profit of $7,630 was actually a loss of $7,630.

I don’t think anyone will be paying attention to your future comments on financials ....

Anon 606 - Cause Bartlett wasn't the one who 'destroyed it' ...Chargers were playing in a court with 500 and in debt before Bartlett

#293 Stewie did an amazing job setting up the schools program which has had lots of publicity about how it was funded by Govt and pretty sure Telstra was involved as well. There was a section set aside for Telstra school kids at the games Who else will do it? As great as Stewie is, I thought there were Board members with lots of contacts in the schools and basketball clubs who helped with the set up. Can’t believe there aren’t others out there willing to organise the program with players running sessions just as they always have. As for contacts - lots of people work in the education system in Southern Tas - contacts can be recreated.

And if Stewie did the funding negotiations, he’s even more talented than anyone knew as I’m led to believe he wasn’t in the room for most of the discussions .......

Career paths! Names me 2 local players from the Charges squads in the last 5 years having a career?

Still Laughing. You don't have any understanding of the full impact here.
Forget the who is right and who is wrong here.

The career pathways for all kids now is GONE. Bartlett by continuing to trash BTAS now has made it impossible for the Chargers to ever return.
Why would Hickey/Stewart/McCoy want to take the Chargers down? I read a lot of shit on here and that is seriously one of the most idiotic thing I have ever read.
If you knew what was planned ahead you would soon realise your error.
The other lunatic who said "$100k on imports each year" is yet another person living in fantasy land. The Chargers side last season was put on the floor for far lees than that figure.
Barlett simply needs to move on like many have already and look to the future and and NBL side in one more season.
Huskies also need to ensure that those involved in this terrible day in Tassie sport will be no where near the Huskies.
AS The Mercury said yesterday "ONE of the nastiest scraps in Tasmanian sporting history"
Make no mistake now there will be do rescuing the Chargers by the Huskies either. That opportunity is now closed.

Exactly Paul

Any competently run seabl/Vic league club will always be able to find a good coach to coach the team and run the programs

Sounds like anon is from basketball Victoria/Tasmania

As I said thankfully the Huskies are a part of the New Zealand league and not under those Federations

Great post Paul, the club would have been able to invest in infrastructure. .....believe that is the fear that BTAS had.

The Chargers were starting to do what BTAS should be doing but better, therefore bring em down

"Great idea Paul. Move to Tassie leave what ever job you have and get paid $10,000 to do so. Please name the coaches that will do that."

"They made $150000 last season and paid off a $140,000 debt."

I think you just answered your own question, Chargersfan. They were a profitable entity, next year they wouldn't have to divert profits to paying off debt, so could invest more in coaching which delivers some of its own revenue back via clinics etc.

Even if they only made half the profit next year, they could easily accommodate an increase in the coaching salary to a solid part-time wage, which combined with finding them work through club contacts (very common in the state league sporting world over the years) makes it an attractive proposition to someone looking to further their coaching. I know, I've just been through that process!

343 --so when they start to get a revenue stream cut it off?

Well said Paul, this was starting to happen. The irony is BTAS criticised the Chargers for not being 'for the good of basketball ' (with the implication BTAS are),

When the Chargers start to focus on development as well BTAS actually change the rules to say that is not their role it needs be $s going to BTAS.

Can't win

"What a great idea recruit a coach from elsewhere and pay them SFA. Those that live in the rest of Australia fail to understand the dynamics of Tassie / Hobart."

As a coach who has moved from elsewhere to coach in Tassie/Hobart, I think I have a pretty good grasp on it. The Chargers would have been an attractive proposition for good coaches looking to take the next step in their coaching, and would certainly have been able to find someone who could coach the team and run clinics on behalf of the club.

Anon 325 - points you make are valid re volunteers and no base. ( reckon you have been very close to the Chargers) with the chargers

However there was the potential for chargers to develop and provide services like holiday / academy programs. Therefore have more kids playing and make $s.

This threatened BTAS as they are not doing this well. If they want CAMs to work there needs work to be done and less politics. There is duplication occuring but there is now a gap between CAMS and elite, strategically needs to occur.

What a great idea recruit a coach from elsewhere and pay them SFA. Those that live in the rest of Australia fail to understand the dynamics of Tassie / Hobart.
The Chargers have always been a standalone club. With NO affiliation to any local clubs. NO income.
No pokies and no home. 22 years of tradition with numerous titles from 2000 + 2002 National champions, a squillion South champions and the first and last club the win a SEABL (meaningless) title.
Run by volunteers and this year and many previous seasons no PAID employees. When they had 1 paid employee it was part time but that was years ago.
Other than a few local players and 2 imports NO ONE got paid.
Head Coach would earn less than imports. The Chargers team budget would be 1/2 or less than most powerful clubs in Vic.
Any coach that wants to come to Hobart and earn a modicum for 8 months work please apply.
The Ballarat's Albury's Bendigo's etc all have paid staff to keep them running. The Chargers don't.

Captain Jerk said "As soon as they come under the under the control of these federations, they screw it up, as shown again and again over the past 5-10 years, this just been the latest." Jack you are an idiot. The only teams not under a federation and association are the Tasmanians. Just be quiet please.
Until the truth comes out everyone else here is a lemming.

" Captain Jack
Within the hour

I assume they would have hired another good coach to replace stewie, to run these programs and coach the team."

Another good coach in Tassie. Go. Name them all.

Wekl said captain jack

Btas keep stating 'for the good of basketball'

Such a patronising three word slogan without substance

Ceo says the chargers did sone things wellbut implies they were not in it for 'the good of basketball ' then has xheap shots like posters on here at Bartlett.

Strategically the ceo should focus on the good of basketball instead of playing cheap petty politics at the expense of bball

293 - are you with btas?

So who was going to run these programs in Stewie's absence?
Remembering that these connections are all created by Stewie and they don't want to see anyone else but Stewie? These same schools paid the Chargers to have him there. Their revenue from their Development Program is almost the same as their Game Night Income. I am sure no one knows that. If they do they are a Board member.
Simply ignore all the financial stuff. Clearly that is something that most people don't know anything about. There is no supposition here. None at all and no I have no connection to BTAS.
"when Bartlett negotiated the funding for the whole state" What funding for the whole state did Bartlett actaully organise? NOTHING. Do you mean the funding that Stewie got by meeting with Hodgman and Gutwein personally? That wasn't Bartlett.
Do you seriously think that the Libs are going to hand out money to a former Labor Premier just because he is "El Presidente" of the Chargers? NO WAY.

With 3 months to talk to BTAS what were the Chargers plans? Do you actually know, or just sprouting hypotheticals. Unless you are a Board member you wouldn't know. If you are a Board member hang your head in shame.
The Chargers believed they were compliant with the rules of entering the new BV competition. Which ever Board Member gave that advice was wrong. They should be accountable for misleading the Chargers Board and the demise of the Chargers.
It's certainly a battle of ego's and Bartlett's fall out with the Huskies is part of that. He wanted to go to the next level and got overlooked. Wise decision by the Huskies. Now his ego gets in the way of the true meaning of commitment.
Unfortunately only one side of the story is being presented.
Who killed Rex? Bartlett.

Well said 278

The facts are Anonymous that BTAS wouldn’t guarantee the schools basketball program would directly flow to the Chargers in a timely manner as originally intended when Bartlett negotiatied the funding for the whole state. This was the revenues Bartlett is talking about. Instead BTAS used their usually tactic of threatening legal action. The documents sent out by Chargers to members makes that clear. Your comments re no one to run clinics etc is pure bs. You have no idea the plans that were in place to cope with the changes.

Pure supposition and scaremongering on your part and really poor form.

236 - that is guff

Sure you work for BTAS

Bartlett talking about fiscal responsibility. Going broke if they sign the MOU and BTAS will steal their assets.
They have paid off a $140K debt(great job) and have a books profit of $9297. Tell him, he's dreaming. There is no money for BTAS to take. Get it?
With Stewart gone they have no one to run their clinics. Therefore no income. All that this proves is that Barlett has allowed this to happen under his watch.
Stewart also is instrumental in bringing in these schools etc and without him plus the ability to sell to any sponsors is now severely diminished.
The Chargers next season in the new competition would struggle. FFS who wants to go and see Chargers Vs Eltham @ the DEC? 2000 people? Tell him, he's dreaming.
All I see from Bartlett to use his words is obfuscation. Hiding the truth behind his fancy words to cover his own arse. Let's be real here. If the Chargers did survive in 2019, Barlett at the end of his 3rd season would simply walk. He's done his 3 seasons and achieved what he set out to do. Be NBL ready in 3 seasons. Make no mistake without him the Chargers would have folded 2 seasons ago. They have had 3 months to get together with BTAS to sort these issues. Yet in one day they have taken their bat and ball and walked. No thought about the 25,000 kids they have put through their clinics. No thought about the Womens program. No thought about the fans and volunteers at all.
Sad days indeed.
Bartlett and his board killed the Chargers.

The Charegers Academy is totally against what BTAS is trying to achieve.
Won't matter now as the CHargers have no one to run them anymore.

That btas had an issue with them doing clinics then criticising them for not doing so and being all about the win - problem yep.

Also how fdp operate yep

If they asked for input from people involved in bball - no problem