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Bogut v Homicide: the banter continues

Does that tally include the number of people that Bogut's blocked? Could be much higher !

Anon 366

“Corey is literally getting 10-50 likes on his tweets, and next to no re-tweets. That's not many fans or much exposure for the NBL.”

Please tweet this to him, including actual numbers to back it up.

You too can suffer the wrath of the man without reach.

Only way the guy could gain any respect in my book is doing some extra stuff in his own time, give back something to the community like meet and greets (not just shaking a few hands after a game) etc. Guy is just happy to take his cheques till the NBL dumps him.

Guilty, he tends to respond, then I realise I'm dealing with a moron so give up.

Is there anyone here who hasn’t had a Twittercation with Homicide?

We've been ignoring you for four or five years.

If Corey wants to have a strong opinion like that, then take him off as a commentator and have him just appear on Overtime or whatever the show is.

"Senator, I am a psychologist. You're correct that AFL teams are employing fewer psychologists than they had previously. However, they're doing so because clubs are trending towards mindfulness/holistic 'wellness' coaches. So they aren't ignoring the issue of mental health. In fact, while I don't agree with the strategy, they're doing quite the opposite as they attempt to identify better services (however misguided I think they may be).

Homocide's commentary is trash, but it's not "inappropriate" in the way you've described. Just my opinion though. Either way, I would happily be rid of him for whatever reason"

Thanks for your input, seems strange having a controlled discussion on this forum, lol.

I didn't think they ignored the issue of mental health, I agree like you, I think their baffled as to what's the best way to move forward and help these players. Look at the Adelaide Crows, they went from losing their coach in tragic circumstances, to pulling together to making the finals in top spot, and then come crashing down the following season and miss finals completely. I think they are all still struggling with that initial tragic event (same thing happened to my footy club, we had a player die on field in the round 1, the club became the strongest it had been that year in terms of player bonds and success, then that strength slowly fizzled over the next year) and haven't found the best process to overcome this as a club.

Back on topic, Homicide is trash , yes he is.

"Wow. Senator, that's a reach!

1. Expressing an opinion (even one that offends) =/= bullying
2. The players are no doubt aware Corey is a league-wide joke
3. Your point regarding mental health doesn't make much sense: the population is generally aware of the importance that mental health plays, and the stigmas surrounding seeking help are rapidly eroding. What you're suggesting is that people ought to avoid saying anything that might offend someone. Why do NBL players need to come forward and broadcast private issues they might be dealing with anyway?"

I agree myself that its a reach and I'm looking at the extreme end of the spectrum for sure. However with the increasing "sensitivity" of new generations and the PC brigades, I don't think it's a huge to anticipate it becoming an issue at some stage.

Regarding point 3, agree that the stigma surrounding mental health has improved in leaps and bounds, it is still not even close to where it should be (I work in the health industry too). An example last night on the Project actually, someone said that now mental health awareness is very strong in the AFL, however the response from a former player who advocates for mental health said, that is is not true, only a handful of teams employ full time psychologists/psychiatrists. An AFL club have 20 odd strength and conditioning coaches, however they only have 1 person looking at mental well being. So yes improved, but not near enough to what we need, this ratio in itself shows that mental health is not considered close to being as important as physical health.

Using AFL as an example again against Homicide. AFL commentators do call out under performing players like Homicide does, but there delivery is appropriate (probably not Kane Cornes). Homicides delivery of his content is meant to offend in a poorly constructed belligerent way which is inappropriate.

Homicide is an embarrassment to the league. He needs to go.

Getting a colour commentator that can string a sentence together would be a start.

Where's your retort?

723310, I try to not respond to idiots. However I'm not good at it all the time, case in point right now

MACDUB, I hear you and maybe it is better to come from those sources.. but we don't exactly have that in Australia. The NBL Overtime show is amazing IMO and the closest we have to that. I would hate to see that be sensored into commentary only and no opinion. "Calling out" players and being harsh at times is necessary in order to talk about both good and bad.

MACDUB +1

Does Homicides twitter comments border the line of bullying? Some times I think they do, he has called for players to get sacked, he has told players they played straight up trash. With mental health awareness becoming more and more prevalent, especially in sports, I think there is a chance that his comments may cause serious issues at some point.

We don't hear much about mental health in the NBL as far as I know, does that mean the NBL looks after the mental welfare of players well? Maybe they do, I'm not sure. Or is the NBL just way behind in this area to the point players aren't comfortable enough to come forward with these issues?

Is the same individual shifting the goal posts, or are you attributing the opinion of one person/a few people to the entire forum?

If it's the latter, it's one of the most pathetically lazy attempts at reasoning I've ever seen. One person/a few people who contribute to a basketball forum = the thoughts of the entire forum. I'm starting to see it more and more. How do people think this way?

Either way, just know... fk Perth and I hope Tommy is in a good place within himself.

"Commentators having the ability to be both negative and positive is a good thing!!! We want opinion and analysis both good and bad. Get over it..
Not his biggest fan but at least he is creating some interest and debate about basketball. He's not talking personally about anyone. Harsh yes, bad no"

Maybe, but I'd prefer that type of opinion/analysis to come from a non-commentator.

Ala like Stephen A. Smith/Skip Bayless/T-Mac/Rachel Nichols and their respective analysis shows. They are't commentators; they are dedicated analysis and opinion shows.

If Corey wants to have a strong opinion like that, then take him off as a commentator and have him just appear on Overtime or whatever the show is.

Just don't see how you can be wearing both hats that's all.

Could just be me not having a lot of interest in this manufactured banter, but it just seems a bit boring and as mentioned already, a bit unimaginative.

I like banter, i like a bit of spice as it creates interest, however it just seems that anything Homicide says just comes across as controversial for the sake of media content without being interesting at all, and for me, not that interesting.

Personally the Angus Brandt v Bogut banter was a bit more interesting (while still a bit cringy). The whole thing is lame. But if it gets the league in mainstream news then it has some merit i suppose.

Commentators having the ability to be both negative and positive is a good thing!!! We want opinion and analysis both good and bad. Get over it..
Not his biggest fan but at least he is creating some interest and debate about basketball. He's not talking personally about anyone. Harsh yes, bad no.

Its shit like this that makes the league look so petty and unprofessional.

Especially when the league it self is promoting it...

Personally I don't like it.

Williams is a game commentator of the league (granted he is a colour commentator, and not necessarily play by play, he is still a commentator).

It reeks of unprofessionalism by both of them to have a commentator (who is supposed to be neutral) getting into it with players on social media and vice versa.

If I see commentators using social media (And a few do i.e. rugby), all their posts are generally positive rather than negative - congratulating players/teams and not putting players/teams down.

Contrary to the popular saying, any publicity is IMO not good publicity.

I'd place repute over clicks for the time being. Sure publicity is good, but not if it grows the belief of a 'bush league'.

You could say the same for Bogut.

Why does the NBL insist that having these manufactured controversial issues is good for the game? Who is putting money into the league just because two loudmouths have a stoush on twitter?

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