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Mt Gambier Pioneers to Premier League 2019?

Hmmm, seem to know a lot about the male talent in Mildura, been jilted there a few times big boy!

Bullshit about Mt Gambier players here, name 3. Don't talk crap about not naming them FFS.

Some good points above, but apart from wanting to play in better competition the salary is/was far superior. Daly, Burden etc would make more money, albeit not ridiculous, than what's here. And there would be other benefits. Stayed in Mildura once with a player and he was treated like a rock star.
As for comparing rural towns in SA and Vic, there's an enormous difference in participation rates. While our best is on par to other states, the depth isn't there. So there's more and better players to choose from. And the drop off rate here after 18s is huge, youth league is a joke now, if you don't make PL then most quit.

So many anonymous's above. Hard to keep track of who's saying what.

But:

- For those worried about parity in talent between squads if MtG joined the PL, considering it has been mentioned many times that the better players from Adelaide came down to play in the Mount (SEABL) to play in a better comp, doesn't that mean that those same players are more than likely to stay in Adelaide and play there, if they're staying in the same comp ? Bringing Mt Gambier back to the pack somewhat ?

- As for the other smaller country (potential) teams, why couldn't they just start in a Division 2 while they build their programs up. Was mentioned earlier that country kids have to go and play in the city to get a game, surely a pathway, albeit a Division 2, would keep them at home, and possibly attract more kids to play as they wouldn't have to go to the city to play ? Population was mentioned, but I've been through a lot of those towns mentioned (Murray Bridge, Port Pirie & Augusta, Gawler, Millicent) , and they don't seem all that much smaller than some of the Vic Country towns that field teams in Big V or even CBL.

- True State Leagues work in every other States that have a decent population (Vic, NSW, QLD & WA). I would think, although SA is smaller (in population) to those states, they could surely use the same format to encourage the growth of the sport ?

Definitely agree, just some genius above said there are Premier League players from the Mount, just wondering who they are. Surely if they were half decent they would stay at home and have played Seabl. Probably one of these misinformed people that thinks they will help the league grow.

Still waiting to hear what players have come from Mt Gambier to Premier League since its such a big breeding ground

Reality (mq)...... hahaha not even close.....keep trying im sure you will....you might get something right in a post one day....

I am sure most PL teams could cope with the travel cost - just put less into junior development within their own clubs. How much do the Pioneers contribute to their juniors?

Rip mt gambier..... killed by basketball Aus.

Such a shame teams can't even travel in their own state to other games without "compensation"

Same goes for Mildura.

Basketball in sa/vic/tas is a disgrace right now and they wonder why the nbl was struggling

Reality - Mount Gambiers was invited by Basketball Victoria to apply for Big V to only be rejected as Basketball Victoria's board were unwilling to amend the competitions by-laws.

You may name yourself "reality" - how about try "factual".

If they knew it then let’s make it 10 no votes and let you fight it out with Basketball Australia

Probably not their first destination because they are well aware of the close minded backwards thinking of the league. They knew this would be the attitude towards it.

What players are from Mt Gambier?

What my gambier have done is provide a pathway for elite sa kids

So are MtG innie or are they outie?

Another thing, what has Mt Gambier ever contributed to basketball in Adelaide, too busy concentrating on seabl, Now they need us, and self admitting, only hopefully for one year, they suddenly are interested.

Mt Gambier get 6 figures from sponsors. If you don't believe that juniors prop up seniors, you're in a dreamland. No way clubs like centrals, eastern or woodville can compete with that.

Botti has named the four clubs against in the comments on his Facebook page linked above

Since when has botti worries about getting the facts right!

The fact that is right is the pioneers are being continually screwed over.

What have they done so wrong that they are hated by ba, bv and four Adelaide clubs?

Would have been good if both got the facts right but Atleast he reached the correct conclusion that being this is bs

Unfortunately sounds like the end for Mt Gambier now.

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/mt-gambier-can-jump-in-the-lake/

Seniors do not need juniors to prop them up. Doesn’t the model that exists in most clubs rip money out of juniors for their senior teams. Wouldn’t it be much better if an idea to have seniors that fund themselves and actually put back into junior basketball rather than ripping it out. That is what Mount gambier have. This is what all other seniors teams should be aspiring too not trying to destroy mtg or trying to make them do things the other way as they do or rip money from juniors

Certainly do know who the four clubs are

I can certainly understand the position of those clubs who have voted against.

The appalling circumstances that the pioneers find themselves in is no fault of their own. The way they have been let down by BA and in turn BV is beyond comprehension it is probably the worst failure by a governing federal sporting body that I have ever seen and ever likely too.

It is clearly understood that it is not the fault of the Adelaide clubs. Yet they are now coping it for letting the pioneers fold.

The vote by the Adelaide clubs was or should have been a moral decision on how to vote. They well knew that if they voted no the pioneers would have close up shop. Surely you could think that we just have to do what is right here and do what we can to save a basketballing icon.

This whole debacle is an absolute disgrace. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the pioneers and imagine how you might feel to be treated like they have by ba and BV and then in their final plea to there own state clubs to show no empathy is a disgrace.

This debacle says much about basketball administration in this country it has always been a joke and appears it always will be.

I can not imagine a successful club competing at the second highest league possible in this country having this happen to them in any other sport.

It is a very sad day for basketball.

Reality or mq you have gone quiet, can’t answer the question posed above?

If you genuinely have the vote or such power at one of the four clubs who voted against and are genuine about the possibility of changing your vote I’m not sure that posing such a question ion this forum is the best way to obtain a reliable response. What might be best is contact one of the pioneers club administrators to discuss if you didn’t raise that concern in their presence at the recent meeting it’s a tad unfair to base your vote on something you have not given them an opportunity to address. Did you raise it when they have tried to contact you? If you don’t feel comfortable in speaking to them about it perhaps you could pose the question in a responding email. The administrators are easily accessible.

It's only big enough for 10 clubs. You want Western Magic, Adelaide Uni and SA Church to enter teams in premier league? Seniors need juniors to prop them up unless they get big sponsors like Mt Gambier in a one horse town. Teams like Woodville and Centrals struggle in women because they nearly have no junior programs to come through.
Where's Naracourte, Victor Harbour, Streaky Bay, Tailem Bend, Roxby Downs, Snowtown etc going to get players geniuses??? Can't even get a good standard in youth league these days.

OK, so north Adelaide 16 1s go down to div 2, will that make the div 2 teams better? Say all you want about improving against a strong team, end of day talent will win out.
How is the inclusion going to grow the sport? Might help a few local bench warmers in the mount be in the league, but who stars for them, imports and Adelaide players. If anything it would create a stronger league if those players came here instead of watering it down especially on the women's side if they have to enter one. Players and coaches would probably be based here and travel for home games.

Your suggestion of a sa and vic country competition sounds like a good one we had such a league it was called Seabl. With clubs such as my gambier, Ballarat, Geelong, Bendigo, Albury wondonga then add in nwt. Great idea but for unknown reasons ba canned it

It would be good to have a couple of other non-city teams in. A Murray Bridge team would be a great addition as would a Riverland or Iron Triangle (Upper Spencer Gulf) or Copper Triangle team.

Mewh! Doesn't South Australia (aka Adelaide) finish at Gepps Cross anyhow?

No, the REALITY is it’s gossip when written

SA metro clubs currently making sure all of their players have their passports. Visas being processed now.

Reality... time and time again the same response it needs to be state based .... why does it??

Also can you who seemingly has all the answers provide a response as to how it is the elite league is state based and how the Waratah is state based with Canberra team playing in it.

Reality are your real initials mq?

How does it help the current clubs? There'll be one less spot in finals assuming Pioneers keep their budget so a team like North who clings to fifth spot will miss out. Then theres the bye, pain in the arse of travelling there to probably get kicked.
Be like the Lakers joining the NBL, just going the wipe the floor with teams and no one gains anything.

I think it is a good idea - probably only 1 trip per season for most teams - maybe a final or 2 max - if they are helping with the $ thank you

ANON-3181

Premier League

Good news for Mt Gambier basketball!

Daly announced as one of the sa country state development coaches.

Apparently still in negotiations

There was a meeting this week this weeks with presidents, apparently its not in favour. Offering to pay teams travel expenses.

The Emus smashed France 64-42 and they get second place and I think they will play Canada in the quarter final. France couldnt go above 5th so they played their bench and so did Australia. Fabijan Krslovic was top scorer with 13.