Hoops

GF Series - Perth v Melbourne Game 1

Learn the rule with both eyes open.

Whether or not that point is correct doesn't change the fact that his whole body and his feet were moving!

Ffs someone kindly embedded the video about 15 posts up. Just watch it!!

It's really not that hard... he was moving, ie, not in position

#403 you are correct. But the point outside the cylinder has to be the contact area for it to be illegal. The contact was on the shoulder (his cylinder) not his feet which were outside. Maybe learn the rules.

Oh boy, the screen width is supposed to be shoulder width by the rules. It doesn’t get called much but there the rules. Brandt was twice as wide, which in the old days was called outside the cylinder.

And in addition LV if you want every screen “stationary “, Barlow would have played 30 mins for the entire season! Just saying.

Not to worry LV, the refs still have the next 3 games to screw Perth over.

I imagine the poor and homeless are already queuing for tomorrow's feast.

What does his feet being wide have to do with anything? Was the contact with his feet? Was the contact with his leg? No the contact was with his shoulder which is the width of his cylinder and he has that distance front to back! Omg smh another clueless spectator

#333 said it all three hours ago.

The WA cockwombles won't get it, and if they do they will never admit it.

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink..."

Brandts body was moving, his feet were moving, and yes as the poster above says his feet were wider than his shoulders anyway

Literally everything was moving, but apparently he was perfectly stationary and therefore setting a legal screen

Just another one for the newbie learners...

"Legal screening is when the player who is screening an opponent:
 Was stationary (inside his cylinder) when contact occurred."

He wasn't stationary and his feet were outside his cylinder

Failed on both counts

We need some Braithwaite in here. Hoorsses yeeah!

Some idiot said "There is the slightest of movements but thats natural when bracing for impact while standing your ground."
The another dickwad said "He moved his feet slightly but he did not move his body/shoulder/whatever into Kennedy. It was a perfectly legal screen"
Then another expert said "Funny that no refs called it, even though they were hot on illegal screens all night, and no Melbourne player remonstrated with Brandt, and Brandt immediately was concerned for Kennedy"

The slightest of movements is indeed and illegal screen. Said defensive player needs to be STATIONARY.
Yet again moving your feet slightly is an ILLEGAL screen.
Oh the refs not calling it shows that there were 3 refs out there last night that really don't understand the rules.

Oh none of the experts mentioned that Brandt was in an illegal screen situation because his moving feet were not withing the cylinder and his feet were spread so w i d e that as he tried to move them into a legal position he illegally hit DJK.
Unfortunately everyone here and the refs missed the most valid point of all.
Illegal screen without doubt.

"the refs screwed both teams and didn't allow the teams to settle and the game to flow due to the poor calls."

Can't agree. There were few fouls called for the game, especially considering the physicality, the refs certainly didn't cause the game not to flow.

Furthermore my condition is exacerbated by bright primary colours, so somebody in red appears to be always moving whereas those in red always appear to be perfectly still.

Perth played the better TEAM basketball, Melbourne were poor, and the refs screwed both teams and didn’t allow the teams to settle and the game to flow due to the poor calls. Perth adjusted more quickly to that.

Perth impressed me by playing cleaner than I expected them to. Kennedy was just unlucky.

Roll on game 2, and hopefully some different (& competent) refs.

You conveniently left out a screen set in the players field of vision. Plus within his cylinder. Brandt does not step outside his shoulder with. Has established a position that is not already occupied on the court and is allowed to turn within his cylinder to protect himself. He turns 3% at best. Maybe do not cut and paste sections of the rules that suit your argument LV!

We get stuck with Koberulz, Dazz and Perthworld here in WA but you Victorians get LV lol.

So basically what you're saying is that foul called on Jervis was an incorrect call that went Melbourne's way

Just for the newbies who honestly don't know the rules

Official fiba rules 2017

Rule 33.7

"Illegal screening is when the player who is screening an opponent:
 Was moving when contact occurred."


And


"If the opponent is in motion, the elements of time and distance shall apply. The screener must leave enough space so that the player who is being screened is able
to avoid the screen by stopping or changing direction."

Help out by posting a vid.

I'll help you guys out(giving benefit of the doubt that some of you are serious amongst the trollers)

The screen by Brandt would've been the perfect screen.....

IF he'd landed, set his feet and then Kennedy ran into him half a second later

Except that is not what happened. Brandt was moving as Kennedy arrived.

Please excuse me, I have a rare incurable mental disorder. - For me time does not pass in a linear fashion, rather more swirly-whirly. So I am am unable to tell the difference between the past and the present.
For example I cannot tell the difference between a player who moved well prior to contact, and one who is still moving.

Furthermore my condition is exacerbated by bright primary colours, so somebody in red appears to be always moving whereas those in red always appear to be perfectly still.

I agree with LV 100%. Perth were by far the better team last night.

Melbourne won the rebound count 46-42, Boone took 12 and Barlow 7. Moller also took 7 in twelve minutes. Rebounding was not the problem, turn overs by Melbourne two best players, it happens.

From nbl.com article stating kennedy will be right for game 2 "But then his night took a turn. He turned blindly looking to go under a screen from Wildcats centre Angus Brandt, but instead went jaw first into his shoulder and the contact was flush.

While it was purely a case of him defending so intently, he didn’t quite judge where Brandt was that led to the contact, it sure was a heavy blow. Kennedy went down and had to be helped from the floor and back to the locker room ahead of half-time"

Yep no one knows basketball except lv, it was a horrid screen

Funny that no refs called it, even though they were hot on illegal screens all night, and no Melbourne player remonstrated with Brandt, and Brandt immediately was concerned for Kennedy....but LV said he should have been ejected hahahah

Lv can you tell me what min and quarter goulding ran straight through damo infront of the perth bench? I would like your analysis of that incident. Also when he shortly after did the same to norton after perth scored.

You're* and bite*

Sure your all trolling though so I won't bit anymore ;-)

Brandt feet were both moving, and his upper body moved across too. Made contact with defender who was in position sliding laterally

Clear foul on both real time replay and slo mo

I thought this was a basketball forum, sheesh

No, no, no, we must scream and shout and obfuscate, so that we can ignore the obvious...

It's clear that Kennedy hasn't recovered from the car accident, and obviously has no business being on a basketball court.
But yeah, lets blame Brandt for moving his foot.

He moved his feet slightly but he did not move his body/shoulder/whatever into Kennedy. It was a perfectly legal screen.

Melb journos haven't judging by the match story in the Age that heavily mentioned refereeing

The Jervis illegal screen was incorrect. To use that as your comparison is ridiculous. Incidental clashes occur around the floor where no one is to blame. Get over it. United have.

Good to see Wagstaff step-up when it mattered. Hope this continues.
And White, FMD he has been so much better in the finals. 19 Points, but importantly it was at 53%, plus 8 boards!

Cotton's shoorting was off, but he made up for it elsewhere.

Hard to sy precisely where it went wrong for Melbourne. Boones was dominant on the boards but couldn't cobert, and got little support from Barlowe. Is age finally catching them up?

Absolutely it was as an illegal screen. No doubt whatsoever

In Perths defense, Jervis was still as a statue and was called for a moving screen

You can live with a few of those, but where it hurts you is multiple bad calls on the same person early in the game, followed by more later on same player.

Impacts rotations, strategy etc. That's what happened with McCarron

Screens are supposed to be set shoulder width, Brandt clear lifts his right foot and plants it twice as wide as his shoulder width, then as Kennedy goes by his left foot leaves the floor as he leads his right shoulder outside his cylinder and it hits Kennedy jaw, such is life, like all calls they go both ways and I couldn’t give a f..k about Perth or Melbourne I just like basketball, but it was an illegal screen that happens a lot.

United relied heavily on their big 6 this season

All averaged 27+ minutes except Boone who averaged 24, which was perhaps only due to body mgmt

McCarron had to sit most of the game due to being screwed by the refs

Kennedy looked out of sorts after the incident

Barlow hasnt shown much through these playoffs

Ware was the only United player who individually had a good game, I thought.

Bottom line- after all the Xs, Os, refs, etc. Bottom line- these guys need to stand up if United is to win

I'm tipping they do and we go back to Perth 1-1

Fyi I'm a St Kilda fan

Id have a pretty tough time in life if I couldn't accept my team losing!

Sorry, left me sift through your ongoing whinging to try and find those comments...

[ You simply can’t accept your team was outplayed in the second half]

Pretty sure I've said Perth was the better team oh...I dunno? 15 times in this thread

Learn to read

Perth's bigs are really good screeners

It's an underrated part of basketball

United D loosened up in that 3rd, not quite as sharp in anticipating those screens

Presumably both teams will be a touch more fatigued tomorrow so that may continue

I expect a higher scoring game tomorrow as the offenses learn to adjust, D gets tired

It's just sad it took Kennedy getting injured to overcome the refs.
I honestly thought they would let the first couple of games play out before stepping in. My bad, clearly Larry doesn't want to take the risk.

In retrospect, I should have realised he doesn't want the series to go to 5 games. It would be good for the league, but he doesn't need the money. He wants to make the presentation in Melbourne, so they need to win in 4.

Oh well. If you accept that this was always going to be the outcome, then its been a fantastic season.
Time to switch over to AFL.

Hahahaha bizarro LV nailed it!

I don't support either team.

(I just happen to hate Perth and think the sun shines out of Melbourne's ass.)

You can clearly tell Brandt is a Dirty Thug, because the video clearly shows him playing for Perth.

Obviously it was Brandt driving the car that rear-ended Kennedy and gave him the underlying neck-injury.

Deserves to be rubbed out for 4 games

“I’m not blaming the refs for the result”

Yes you are. You do it every time United lose. You’ve been doing it for years. You simply can’t accept your team was outplayed in the second half.

Lovebroker:

You are a pathetic human being LV.

I'm not blaming the refs for the result

It was typical playoffs basketball- the home team got the better of the reffing and got an advantage from that

Not outrageously so though- Perth had some bad calls against them too (Damo, Jervis, Kay all called for fouls that werent there)

United knows they'll need to play a ripper game to win a final in Perth. Last night they didn't play their best, so can't expect to win.

So LV that would mean united get home cooking? Can't wait for your wright up after tomorrow's game. Watch the replay of how many times perth don't get a foul called.

Perth 8 free throws, Melbourne 14 free throws. That is some home cooking. I suppose United missing 8 freebies from the line (6/14) was the referees fault also. Smh