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Wright Provides Update on Coaching Future and Sobey’s Status

Sixers denied it, when sevennews asked them about it .... sevennews understands it was after the last game against NZ

What physical in NZ?

Sevennews understands due to Sobey - Wright relationship which included physical in NZ, it is better for Sobey to leave and also understands Brisbane is likely

Yes that's right.

Must be another 3 years of Nelson Larkins then.

Free agency hasn't started yet, so they're not going to be announcing any new signings.

Kevin Lisch for a bit of vet stability, knockdown shooting and defence?

Either that or another cringeworthy Wright blast from the past.

Wonder if it's Adam Gibson

Sevennews are gonna run the story, tonight exclusive; '36ers keypiece'

"Not saying you're wrong, but Ware and Randle are shoot-first PGs and Cotton could essentially slide to SG because Perth had Martin and Norton. It's an interesting dynamic."

True, both those guys could almost be described as Combos, although Randle is a little short and lacking on D.
But he's partnered with Lisch, who can and has run the point, and just look how much better Melbourne looked starting McCarron. Again, call him a combo may be a big stretch, but he too can and has run the point.

I mean Sobey is a great player, and in a sense its great he gives that flexibility that you can start him at 1 or 2, depending on who else you've got. I just think Adelaide would have been better off with an import PG and Sobey at the 2. (Which I guess is what they tryed for with De Leon?)

So..... it's a foregone conclusion that Sobey is leaving.

Personally I think this is devastating, first Creek then Sobey. Please noe that I do not hold anyone responsible for their departure, it's just sporting reality.

Right now, other than for supporting the club, there is no draw card.

DJ is a very good player but does not inspire.

Wiley can have flashy highlights but they are irregular.

Froling is probably the one I would enjoy seeing grow as a player.

Unless there is a gum import on the horizon, I fear this could be another lean year for the Sixers.

Disclaimer : I had hoped Drmic and Deng step up but that has not happened so I won't place any hopes in that this year.

Walks a fine line between intensity and over the top aggression. Some attitude coaching from Joe_m might be just what he is missing.

Yes Drimic didn’t do himself any favours at Dandenong, even in the nbl he comes over very angry.

Chill pills for Joe lol.

Drimic is an angry man. Just ask the Dandy Rangers. I would place no importance on him to be able to deliver week after week.

"The best teams it seems to me are playing a dedicated PG, and a combo in the 2 spot."

Not saying you're wrong, but Ware and Randle are shoot-first PGs and Cotton could essentially slide to SG because Perth had Martin and Norton. It's an interesting dynamic.

The best teams it seems to me are playing a dedicated PG, and a combo in the 2 spot. As such I feel that is where Sobey is best suited.
I think a backcourt in which he's paired with a gun PG would be top shelf.
As such I'e never quite understood why Joey persist with Moore. Is he just really cheap?

Losing Sobey might actually improve their structure, but the problem is that replacing quality locals is extremely difficult. Not sure who's available on the FA list.
Joey is good at identifying and developing young talent, but it takes time. You can't keep haemorrhaging talent like Creek and Sobey, and expect to immediately replace them with youth.

Joey is a good enough coach that if Sobey goes with a bit of astute recruiting they will be fine. They are very solid in the 5&4, Johnson and Wiley, should find an athletic defensive 3-4, Moore back up 2-3, Drimic at the 2. Spend all there money on a point guard ie Ware style but probably bit more pass first. Try keep Froling as back up 5.

PPG= points per game not point guard.
If Sobey goes Adelaide are screwed.

Drmic a point guard and then you list him at 3??? And you've listed 4 imports. Got no Idea champ.

I would let Sobey go.

I would combine Sobey and Congo’s salary and sign a stud point guard.

I think Drimic is ready to be given far more responsibility and could become a 15/16 PPG starting guard. This would cover the loss of Sobey

1) Stud point guard ‘/ Teys / Doyle
2) Import / Moore
3) Drimic / McVeigh
4) Wiley / Dang
5) DJ / Frolling or a young NCAA Australia pivot if Frolling goes NBA or G League.

I’m not overly fussed id Sobey leaves as he is extremely unreliable with the ball in his hand down the stretch but whatever happens, we need to sign a reliable point guard who can be that playmaker in trhe final 5 minutes.

Sobey leaves more becomes a 100% shooting guard. Get the ball out of his hands.

Just my opinion.

But I think Sobey will leave as he can probably get more money elsewhere than what Adelaide are able to offer

Also, re Isaac White - it is never a good sign when your minutes get less in college from one year to the next. It is usually a sign that the coach has assessed you and is planning on life without you.

That doesn’t mean to say the young lad can’t play, but the opinion of the coach is what counts even if the coach gets it wrong.

For his sake, I believe he is a smart young man, so I hope he completes his eductIon at Stanford as that is a highly regarded academic institute.

Sorry Trev, that makes no sense. If it was the other way around and Creek was playing there then it would be attractive for Sobey to sign there. But if he isnt there why being mates make it attractive?

Heads of agreement documents are non-biding anyways so he won’t have any problems backing out.

Mitch Creek is doubtful to play for SEMP so Sobey might join them, Mitch and Sobey are good mates.

Just to add a little weight to the rumours previously mentioned here, Boti is reporting that Sobey has signed something called a 'Heads of Agreement document' (I don't know what that is or how binding it is), and is now looking to back out.

http://botinagy.com/blog/ftf-thats-a-2018-19-wrap/

The quote : JUST repeating, the word around Adelaide is Nathan Sobey signed a Heads of Agreement document with the 36ers to play for the club for the next three years but is having second thoughts.

Let's say it's true and the Sixers could hold Sobey to the contract. Should the sixers hold someone to a contract if they have no heart in playing for the team?

People (not all) aren't listening and just love to troll/be negative clairvoyants so...ok.

Tornado - who knows??? Time will tell what this young man's ceiling is.

But one thing is 100% sure no one posting here is qualified to make an assessment on him, other than spitting out and interpreting stats without any real knowledge or insights.

The level he is competing at right now and his achievements to date are more than anyone making the comments above will ever play at or coach at. And 20 plus years ago doesn't count either LOL. If that wasn't the case I doubt they would feel the need to even comment here.

So yes anonymous states above - be careful who you listen to.

Tornado - be careful who you listen to. Plenty of hyperbole out there.

Gotta be honest, I always get a bit querulous when I read comments about players leaving because they had an argument with the coach.
Is this the under 12's?
Different if a player honestly believes the coach is bad for the team and can't lead them to a championship, but I don't feel that can be the case with Joey. Otherwise, unless he has been diddling Sobey's GF, Sobey needs to suck it up.

Joey, from what I've seen, would make a great College coach. All offence, lots of passion, and highlights. That said, it also seems to be a style most Adelaide fans appreciate, and maybe his philosophy is correct. If you haven't got the money to win every game, at least keep the fans entertained and passionate.

Joey, by and large is great at spotting and developing talent. Some of his picks have been inspired.
That said, a few have been questionable, and some don't seem like the right fit. I can only assume he's severely budget constrained and looking for diamonds in the rough.

The White Zion right there.

Are you using domestic youth league stats as a case for Isaac to make the NBA LOL ??

Like I said...not sure of how good Isaac is or can be, I was just going off info of him pre-Stanford (I didn't compile this by the way);

• Regarded as one of Australia's top prospects
• Led South Australia to the 2017 national title
• Averaged 20.9 points, while also leading his national team in assists, free throws (80)
• Posted a 53.6 shooting percentage from three-point range
• Led his South Australia team in scoring each of the his two years at the Under 20 Junior Championships
• Led his Under-18 Australian team to a 50-3 record, defeating some of the country's top teams in the Melbourne Classic tournament
• Named the Premier League’s top Under 21 player
• Averaged 15.0 points his first season and nearly 30.0 points last season
• Posted a 65-point performance (10 three-pointers) against West Adelaide
• Proved himself on the national level with dominant performances for the Australian National team at the Albert Schweitzer Tournament and FIBA Oceania Championship

Are you able to give me the gist of what was said without it getting taken down?

Adelaide and Melbourne should swap Deng and Moller around.

Deng regressed because he is not a good one on one defender, he was getting smoked by Vague and Moller during the season. Good offensive player, and can block shots when camped under the ring because of his length, but can get exploited on the defensive end.

but after that I think it is looking up...especially as the likes of Drmic, Froling Mcveigh will have been in the system a couple of seasons and further developed.

Tornado - Isaacs playing time halved his sophomore year down to 8 minutes a game on a 15-16 team in what turned out to be a mediocre conference this year.

He is barely on an NBL radar let alone an NBA radar.

Adelaide need gun point guard even if it means letting Sobey go.

Tornado...White avs 8 min a game, 3.1 pts, 1 reb, 0.3 assists for Stanford this year. They were an ordinary Div 1 team and came 10th in their conference. So getting drafted to NBA is a stretch!

I agree and which 5 players are on the floor as well as which positions each one is playing are 100% coaching decisions

Playing Sobey at point guard is flat out wrong and was a mistake , he is a finisher. I'm glad they kept him there during the year, having him as the finisher on the break would have been scary.

Anon...I have no idea how good Isaac actually is or could be but he seems to be doing alright in college at the moment.

Beantown...wasn't saying Joey wasn't without his flaws (every coach and player is) was just saying that he is copping a lot of blame for things outside of his control or because players don't want to take ownership of their own flaws/attitude/actions.

Tornado, I agree there are a lot of good things about Joey as a coach. As I said though, he has his flaws. The team seems unable to consistently play either a high level of defence, or to exploit opponents weaknesses on offence. Ultimately those things are on the coach. It’s not a case of blaming Joey for all the ills of the team, but I think some criticism is warranted.

A lot of people blaming Joey which is unwarranted in my opinion.

Creek leaving and the debacle surrounding that wasn't Joey's fault.

Sobey has a lot of talent but is a hot head and isn't the best decision maker. He cost us games last season. When the game is on the line you don't want him with the ball making decisions.

If you keep Sobey (ideally you do) you play him at SG and get a good import PG next to him.

I don't think you keep him at the expense of Joey though. Joey has brought success and young talent to the team which has kept us competitive & developing with a budget much less than a number of teams. He has been the key to the signings of Deng, Froling, Drmic, Mcveigh, Sobey and is the key to future signings such as Isaac White should he not get drafted to the NBA.

Next season could be a lean one if we lose Sobey and considering the imports we already have signed (limiting the moves we can make) but after that I think it is looking up...especially as the likes of Drmic, Froling Mcveigh will have been in the system a couple of seasons and further developed.

dousnt.

Funny how we can say Sobey is our only star yet we just missed out on top 4 and we could have beaten any one of them. Sobey is great for a highlight or 2 but with all that talent what has he done. Until Joey found him why hadn't he been picked up? How come we attract young talent like Drmic, Froling and McVeigh, certainly not the Adelaide lifestyle. They want to play, learn and be pushed by Joey. He's the reason we've had the success lately, havnt won the big one but been damn close with a young team. Sure he's abrasive, but so is Popovich, dousnt accept crap and dousnt cosy up to media. He's there to win. Sobeys had his head filled with all the shit how great he is, for every highlight dunk there's 3 bad shots and Joey holds him accountable. Let him go and get a hungry local in. Only criticism you could have of Wright is his import selection, hopefully he picks some good ones this time, Deleon and Conger were bad fits.

If we can spend the money Sobey would be after on a gun import PG than im ok with losing Sobey, I dont think he was ever going to be a championship winning PG and is quite erratic with his play, but his best is very good

I still think a starting line up of

Stud Import PG (could basically combine Conger and Sobeys salary and get the best player we can)
Moore
Drmic
Wiley
Johnson



is pretty solid and as good or better than this year depending on how good the import PG is (basically Sobey and Conger out for a gun import PG and the best Aussie we can get with the money left over, even if another young guy), and we only missed playoffs on % so not all doom and gloom

Yes that season we played the best defence under Wright plus our trademark high octane offence and it got us to within one game.

So you know Wright 'has it in him', but why can't he achieve it year in year out?

This season pass we should have done better on D, we have Sobey, Wiley, Deng, and Froling's size.

I would have liked to keep Shorter rather than Deleon as the better defender.

Lovebroker, I agree - if Childress didn't get that freak injury, I think we'd have won the series. This last season has shown how much difference he made on defence. IIRC the Sixers had the best defensive FG% in the league in the 2nd half of that season. We were nowhere close to that in the season just gone!

After Creek leaving we can't afford to lose Sobey as well