Hoops

Should the NBL go back to 48 min games???

You could also conclude from that that the length of quarter breaks has nothing to do with the length of the quarters, contrary to your earlier assertion.

"Quarter time is the same length it's been since 1996"

From which you can conclude that I have been attending games since before that date. Go figure.

Camel31

“Sideball option, pass or shoot would better than freetrows.
Randle can get a jumper in from sideball.”

I tried that once as a junior. Swished the shot from inbound pass a bit behind free throw line level. It was called as a violation- apparently the ball must touch a player on court before a shot can be attempted. Learnt a new rule that night. Randle could do it quite well, but it’d probably be a violation.

Jump balls need to make a comeback too. And the backcourt violation inbounds not needing to go through the ref.

it is still effectively 2 halves. the quarter time breaks aren't much more than mandatory timeouts really.

Not sure about this idea that the change is away from 48 minutes. There was a change to 48 minutes along the way but basketball was a game of two 20-minute halves long before it was extended to 48 minutes and sub-divided into quarters.

And as someone above astutely noted, the international [real] game remains at the original 40 minutes, though I seem to think that it too is sadly now a game of four quarters.

....instead of an arrow, I mean...

Yes, prefer jumpball situation.
Most likely get 1 or 2 a game...

Camel 31, voting to bring back jump balls too? Yeah! Me too.

Eight more minutes of freethrows.... I just get bored.
Forty minutes would be sufficient, unless sped up.
As PeterJohn et al have written.
One time ago - I played...and we had an option of side ball or freethrow
and the refs didn't have to hold the ball in the back court.
The old days are gone forever..... The game was faster then.
Sideball option, pass or shoot would better than freetrows.
Randle can get a jumper in from sideball.

Anon 863 brought up the time wasting huddles before free-throws. If the huddle happens in the paint, call delay-of-game warning straight away. The opposition wants to huddle? OK, but not in the paint. Simple one that.

The history argument doesn't work anymore. There have been 16 40-minute seasons now, and there will have been a 17th before this could possibly be implemented. There were only 26 48-minute seasons.

Almost every league in the entire world plays 40-minute games. This debate is absurd.

I think the 40 minute change brought in more fans by making the game quicker and more exciting. As a pure basketball fan I'd like to see 48 minutes for all the reason previously mentioned, but would it be detrimental to the NBL's growth? I know loads of people who have become Wildcats members because it is a great atmosphere and something fun to do on a Fri night catching up with friends. Would they lose some these ppl if the game moved to 48 minutes and essentially slowed down a little? I'm not sure.

"Quarter time is the same length it's been since 1996."

yeah but Dazz takes much longer to piss now due to his enlarged prostate and the NBL should take that into account just like it should take home opens into account when making the schedule

It’s alright to keep your Teys hidden but it’s the young guys on the end bench that worry me, most coaches never play them. If McCarron had gone straight to Melbourne instead via Cairns he might still be a bench sitter. Sobey was 26 and it took an injury for him to see daylight. Swings and roundabouts.

I think keep the game times as they are. Yeah, a good game can be more fun, but a bad game can go on and on and on. And then you have the eyesore that extra court time for some of the bench bumpkins would cause for the league. I like to keep my Brendan Teyses hidden, thank you very much.

Basketball fans want 48 mins but the game is not made to cater for basketball fans. Additionally basketball fans want basketball to be more popular so are happy to forfeit 8 minutes a game if this is to happen.

It was never changed for TV, it was changed so the league was in-line with the FIBA standard.

Now there are 3 ways to go about this:

1 - Have the NBA change to 40 mins (not ever going to happen)
2 - Have FIBA change the standard to 48 mins (would be preferred, but won't happen)
3 - Have Larry change the NBL to 48 mins (most likely to happen, but who knows if it will?)

Ideally, #2 would be the way to go. The problem I have with 40 mins is that NBL players are conditioned to playing 8 less minutes than NBA players and when it comes to international games, US players have better stamina.

Also, I can't remember which game it was, but in one of the NBA x NBL games last season, the NBL team hung in for most of the game. But when it got towards the end of the game, they ran out of puff.

My opinion - I don't care either way, but 48 mins = 8 more minutes of basketball and that makes this guy happy.

RE: records thrown out the window - yeah, the first 5 NBL seasons were 40 mins, so it is a poor argument. But I get what you mean.

In basketball the feeling you get watching a 30 point loss isn't that much different to a 50 point loss (you feel like nothing goes right, you keep turning the ball over, shot isn't dropping and you defence is atrocious)... AFL where scoring can come on extremely quickly you notice the difference more.

Keep FIBA rules and timing. Keep our players and coaches with the rest of the world.

If FIBA increase, then we do. Otherwise a 30 pt blow out becomes a 50pt one. Just not worth it.

I want to watch the top 8 players slug it out. Player 9-11 really aren’t worth watching.

Personally I'd prefer 48minutes as some games in the stands seem to be over in a blur and an added 8 minutes would hopefully increase the feeling of value for money.

Ultimately yes it's LK's decision but you'd imagine he'd have some Americans voicing their opinions on wanting 48 minute games and rules that more closely resemble the NBA to help their Next Star but only time will tell whether he values those opinions enough to make rule changes.

Quarter time is the same length it's been since 1996.

I personally preferred the 48 minute games with longer breaks. Now there's not even time for a piss at quarter time.

I also personally think that with 6 or 7 players on the bench, 48 minutes would be better.

That said, I don't feel particularly strongly either way.

Not sure how to achieve it, especially with percentage now the splitter, but I'd also like to see a return to the days when coaches would run the bench once the game was beyond doubt.

Yes, bring it back asap.

"30+ years of records through the window enough said. Go back to 48"

what about all the records that went out the window when the NBL changed from its original 40 minutes to 48?
completely silly rationale
decision must be made based on what is best for the game today and I think LK is best positioned to make the call on that. his opinion is the main one that matters. personally I think the league needs to get a much firmer foothold on its tv & live streaming before it considers going to a longer game. things seem to be moving in the right direction so I could maybe see it happening in a couple of years but not yet.

And seeing as how the games are barely on TV who cares

Curtly

How could the league run 48 min games only for playoffs? The game is different in its nature with the extra 8 minutes playing time. The teams seriously challenging for the championship would need to run deeper benches.

I think it’s a moot point, because the games are 40 minutes due to tv time slots.

30+ years of records through the window enough said. Go back to 48

Their team might be out but they still watch footy on tv smh

50% football supporters teams are out by end of August, down to 4 teams mid September, play Melbourne clubs away first two weeks season, and build it up from there.

Eliminate video replays and limit time-outs to one 120s "TV timeout" at the 6 minute mark of each quarter. Make first foul shot worth 2 points in any shooting foul situation. Shorten half time to 10 minutes.

Those changes will reduce dead time and you should be able to get 48 minutes of game time into a 2 hour time slot.

If you want 48 minute games, you either do the above sorts of changes to reduce dead time or you wait until the game is popular enough that the broadcasters are willing to increase the air time available per game. And isn't NBL paying the production costs of tv coverage? They wouldn't get any return on investment from paying for longer time slots, so what's in it for them right now?

1 how do you reduce the stoppages? 2 you can’t extend the season at either end because you are then competing with the football codes. Start early you are in direct competition with footy finals and go to long and you’re competing with the start of the season. Both are lose lose.

48 mins all the way for me. I like the idea that some of the 8,9,10 players can get a few minutes during the game and getan opportunity to get into the teams rotation. The Next Stars Program is built so the kids can train but also playing a few minutes always is good for their development.

Had a chance to extend the season to 32 this coming season but kept it at 28, not certain why.

Play preseason at 48 minutes and see how it goes. If everyone is bring it in the following season.

I believe that it has/had more to do with FIBA v NBA rules and media (read TV) requirements with time slots (90 mins v 120 to 150 mins of air time).

From a personal point of view, I don't mind the urgency that the shorter game brings to the contest. The longer the contest, the more time to catch up = less urgency throughout the (whole) contest. I know which game I'd rather watch.

Now, a good game will often end up in an OT or 2. That's the game I want to go for a longer time. Once again, it's probably that urgency thing again for each OT. 5 mins, win or lose. And hey, you get 45 mins a game or more for good games, just not all games.

Now, what about the players, especially the end of the bench who miss out on reg mins? I really don't think that the top comp in the country, on a national stage, is where you go to improve. That's for training and/or off-season contracts in say, state leagues or even personal preparation.
Guys & Girls in the NBL/WNBL are the best in the country. They got there by being the best. And you will still get even better in these leagues, firstly in their training squads, then as you EARN court time. However, the leagues are not there for that purpose. They (NBL/WNBL) are the goals, not the stepping stones.
Those players you say you want to see more of. Really, that applies to parents/family and basketball superfans. Parents/family can always revel in their kins skills at state league levels where they will be worth watching having an influence on the result, not just junk mins in an already decided outcome. The basketball superfans will know how to follow their favs.

Leave it as it is!

Nothing to do with refs, it was all for a 2 hour broadcast slot

It's a joke that it ever changed from 48 minutes. It was done because the refs got tired and complained yet the most important part of the game, the players aren't considered in the decision

Okay not live on tv this week and on a Saturday night. Does anyone know how ticket sales are looking?

I'm hoping for over 5000. I'm pumped for it.