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Big V Structure

God where will vanaspurahanetharupaneth play now

Really sad for the Latrobe region, The League won't really give a damn that a Country Association has run into trouble like this though.

When La Trobe Energy first began it was replacing Tbirds with the move to BigV away from VBL
La trove city pacers men’s team was their “flagship” and La Trobe City council poured plenty of money into it but it all went on the one import Weaver
It was supposed to incorporate ALL Gippsland areas but it was and remained Traralgon just by another name

All other associations were expected to contribute financially but had little to no say , and players were not given opportunities from other towns to play , so the other associations didn’t want to get involved

Nothing much changed over the years and this is the end result
The theory was good, the practice impractical when one club wanted to retain full control

Taralgon was always a tough trip in the days, the reality is the CBL needs to continue to get stronger and be a viable comp for these regions in the summer. The cost of entry and requirement is killing country teams along with travel and player availability.

I don't think the Big V is killing country clubs the landscape of basketball just isn't helping them.

Be great to see the CBL get bigger and stronger

It's a long way between towns out in the La Trobe valley, but its hard to see each town be able to support its own team with players one of the many issues

it would be hard when all the towns, is my guess, pulling in all different directions... cause they all want different things
they would be able to contribute different amount of sponsors, funding, players, volunteers etc. and then each town would want games played in their stadium

if i was from sale, would i sponsor and go to games in Traralgon when they are 45 mins away etc?

maybe Traralgon should just put the team in themselves???

Big V admin probably glad to see the demise of yet ANOTHER country club.

People need to remember Big V was once CVIBL. Now it looks more like MMBL. Hardly a state league when 85% of teams are located within a 35km radius of Melbourne

IMPORTANT MEDIA RELEASE!!

It is with sadness and disappointment that we announce that Energy Basketball will not be entering Big V sides for the 2020 season.While the committee has done enormous work to keep the senior sides on the court for the last two years, it is no longer sustainable. We thank all coaches and staff this year who have put in tremendous effort in making our sides competitive and in pushing to secure players for next year.The decision to withdraw the teams has not been made lightly and is the culmination of a number of factors.Gippsland Basketball needs a senior representative program in Big V and that requires the support at all levels in Gippsland.During the next twelve months Energy Basketball will work with all stakeholders to ensure that a sustainable model can be put together, we look forward to everyone's input during this process.Any enquiries can be directed towards energybasketball@gmail.com



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Re LaTrobe... is this just another sh!t stirring troll, or is their time in Big V actually done?

Latrobe Energy men and women are GONE!

The committee announced it on fb today - lots of people are shocked and angry.

Very good Cougar players! Revealed soon so sit tight!

What's the reasoning behind the elevation to SC ?
From the outside looking in, a couple of good seasons, doesn't mean strong growth and their ability to maintain a SC level team. Do they have local players/Juniors & Money to stay competitive long term ?

If no to money, they'll find it hard to compete. If no on the juniors (the YL2 team seemed to struggle, not sure if there were any stand out players), how are they going to replenish their side year after year ?

This isn't isolated to WP. Same question could be asked most post seasons for teams looking to go up.

Associations find out by today. Can appeal of course.

As expected, player movement about to occur at the Cougar Den.

Player/coach???? Surely not

Never laughed as hard as I just did at that comment

Westernport Men in State Champ. WOW

^ above anon, sounds like you are in the know.

Can you share who is coaching?

Mass exodus at Westernport Men after Luke left

Any Hawthorn SCM players to follow there much loved coach to Kilsyth (after he was axed)?

Perhaps a good opportunities for Jack Barry & Luke Sist

To be fair, Calvin Henry isn't an import...

Same in D1M. If you take the imports out of the top teams they rubbish

To be fair that sentiment probably goes for most D2 teams. You take the import(s) off of the other top teams and they probably don't do much.

Mildura are a bottom of Div 2 team without Henry playing so they wont be going up. They lost to Maccabi at the Hothouse without him.

OK thanks. Nice to see Trae Young back ang Rumors on players

Rumours are they are applying for D1

Interesting as applications still open until next Friday.

Above who has the inside info.

Where does the Corio Bay / Geelong merger teams fit in

Strong rumour going around that no one will be promoted except the championship winning teams. No relegation either.

That will make D1M 14 teams and D2 12

Yes, exactly^

Why would Wallan go? Lose first game of finals after being 5th. The only teams that should be going up from d2M are Southern Pen and Camberwell. The clear 1 and 2 from all of last season and the teams that were in the grand final. D1M should be Sunbury and another one or two.

Who are the extra teams that will be promoted in D1M and D2M?

Who is the new team in Div 2?

Wallan Men are playing D1M next year given some big time things happening. Gives them a massive edge over Craigieburn as a club.Watch this space.

Corio Bay are no longer, merging with Basketball Geelong

Corio Bay relegated?

Couple of D1M teams will go to SCM.
Couple of D2M teams will go to D1M.
Possible new team in D2M.

Numbers will then be evened out properly.

What’s the bet Big V stays exactly the same in 2020

So, we all agree, the BigV and NBL1 need to cooperate, amend their rules and restrictions to be more flexible while at the same time enhance their operating procedures and be more accountable for the standards and conditions of entry, to ensure not only inclusion and expansion where it is needed but also limit the potential for over saturation where it exists or is likely to!

Great..........

I am sure the Northern Football League and others have used a points system regarding players, 10 points for ex-NBL, 8 points for a SEABL/ NBL1 player etc etc like a salary cap in a way.

I think who cares if you can convince ($$$) a player to play a down a level of a great standard to help you get up why not, this has been happening for years in semi-pro sport have a look at non-league soccer in England is famous for clubs getting recently retire league footballers to play of small time clubs.

In response to #760503

Why not just bar players from playing in another league once they've already entered into a higher one? E.g you could play Big V then get promoted to NBL 1 but once you're up in NBL 1 thats it you can't go back down.

Well said!

Anonymous
A few hours ago

The logic is Bear, why would you go play for Casey, Southern Pen etc if you could go play at Frankston, Dandenong etc. with a chance you might get a NBL1 call up. The other side is the NBL1 clubs start dropping players back to win important games in Big V. There is a reason why the league is set up this way. It's not all about Geelong.


each club in NBL1 can only enter 1 team, so that means the likely hood of playing for them is already reduced if you go by available players, you can only have 2 or 3 in each position on a team, so if players are good enough to play at that level they are more likely to be selected, they cant just say thats where I want to go, if they are not up to it, but having other associations even the same association with a BigV team under running their NBL1 program give more opportunities for more players to play at a decent level. The more chances they get to play the better, and if your good enough you can get those spots in the higher level.

Council???

Anon^, you are making my points for me, do you realise I am on your side with most of what you are saying?

Yes, regulate the competition according to what is needed and what is going to create more opportunity but at the same time don't restrict it where it needs expansion and yes budgets are a problem which is why the import situation needs consideration.

Bellarine's example isn't clear, they have a captured market if they want it, why not point at their management and what they have or have not done to foster growth of the game in the area they can control rather than blame kids wanting to play elsewhere...

When I compare what Surfcoast is getting and the way their council is supporting basketball and other sports like soccer compared to that of the Bellarine it is obvious where the issues are!

It's not about having large stadiums, small associations also have great programs and a lot of them punch above their weight with respect to VC and Big V teams.

It's about smaller associations who have a $20k Big V budget competing against associations that have a $500k NBL1/Big V budget.

It will severely hurt the 35 other association if the big 12 can enter another team. You will loose your better local players to the larger associations which will force clubs to play players not up to standard.

The small clubs will be a feeder program for the larger clubs and that's not just in Melbourne, Bellarine has lost juniors for years to Geelong.

Anon^, the rich get richer because they have large stadiums, great programs, offer development and opportunity, so of course they appear to have the money so I am saying use it if you want and be more inclusive. It should be choice, but obviously the BigV and NBL1 have final say.

If the Melbourne market in a specific zone is saturated, fine sort it out, but in Geelong's case like other regional zones there is a need for another BigV program, so be it. Why restrict obvious needs!

Hand shake deals is a stretch, call it what you like, agreements towards common goals are made everywhere, nothing sinister just the ability to grow and consolidate resources I would suggest.

As for the comments about sacking coaches or any other BS you want to go on with, I am not entertaining slanderous remarks today, cheers!

very interesting!!

Rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

So, to be clear anon^, I would advocate for all Melbourne Associations that can to enter NBL1 and provide BigV senior and YL if they are able to, because as you have pointed out there are talented players who can choose to play where they want.

The upshot for the smaller clubs is that they can offer more local talent to chance to stay at their club and play BigV if that's where they are at and those of a higher standard can choose to move and play NBL1 if they wish!

We should be offering more opportunity, not less, I will direct you to my other post above about imports and that where this area of financial constraints gets out of hand is the real cause of many problems, not that of local players who should be better treated IMHO...

Anon^, maybe you don't get the big picture and how things developed, it's not that Geelong want to do it their way, it's that all the powers in Vic basketball, council, government and everyone involved pushed that one voice for basketball in Geelong (similar to say Bendigo & Ballarat) would benefit growth and opportunity to build a stadium like they have and improve every aspect of development in the biggest regional city in the state.

Many working parts, but the upshot is huge and so the merger begins, but not at the cost of players opportunity, so in such a big area with an established NBL1 and BigV programs there is and of course should be concessions.

Of course it's not all about Geelong, don't patronise me, of course in Melbourne you have Associations close by that compete for the best players, you can't eliminate choice all you can do is offer the best of what your club has to attract talent. The big question there is, what is your club doing to retain its talent?

The logic is Bear, why would you go play for Casey, Southern Pen etc if you could go play at Frankston, Dandenong etc. with a chance you might get a NBL1 call up. The other side is the NBL1 clubs start dropping players back to win important games in Big V. There is a reason why the league is set up this way. It's not all about Geelong.

How would allowing more people to play basketball and allowing bigger clubs to bridge the gap between YL and NBL1 level kill of smaller clubs, curious to see the logic here?

Placing limits on Associations and not allowing them to cater for their population growth is surely far worse than giving more players opportunity at a higher level.

The real problem is money and the import payment disparity, which is the likely issue that holds back our game. Get that right and your Association prospers, get that wrong and you go into the red and develop the wrong culture, which takes a long time to fix!