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whats happening at norwood?

It pretty much is that way at the moment

Why not have a committee of one!!!

Positions should now be vacant for Norwood Management Committee. Members down from 7 to a minimum of 4 people. Club has new vice president and new treasurer. A special general meeting needs to be called. All non-Webber family members to step up and make yourselves available.

as someone from the outside looking in the situation seems dire and there are too many conflicts of interests going on. For someone who is in the know at any Club do you have any advice for a Club who is under the grip of one family? How can they move beyond this effectively and break the monopoly so all is transparent?

Is this the Woodville women’s coach from last year?

478 you forgot to start your post with "Once upon a time"

My understanding is they have sign Dave Humphries who was going to the highest bidder, a friend of his from WA, two imports and chasing more.

Plus the women’s MVP too on the girls side.

433 ^ Mic Osborne is a great Coach. Would have him at my club any day.

Osborne as JDO? Lol

Is this for real?

And still spending big on their premier league teams. Makes no sense.

And that would explain Brine to Forestville

I understand he’s also doing the door at Premier League so is unavailable up until 1/4 time.

Honestly working full-time in this sport in this state is a low paying, work your arse off, parent pleasing mugs game. Even if you have a half decent committee it wont take long for things to turn sour! I could not begin to imagine the hours some of these JDO's put in, would probably equate to an hourly rate of a Vietnamese sweat shop worker.
Its a great snapshot of basketball in South Australia with even the peak body BSA pay peanuts and produce the same in services.

Back to the topic - what are Norwood’s approach to juniors. Are they serious about developing Juniors after getting rid of two JDO’s or are juniors are a means to and end - i.e. revenue source for PL team?!?!

North are doin Ok, but I wouldn't put them up there with Sturt, or Fvilles Girls program which can win interstate medals. Who knows which way Norwood will go.South seem to have improved with their 10s and 12s started winning. Has Dickel had an impact there.
Put Southern in the same boat as Norwood. Westies should improve with their Junior Coaching changes, Centrals???Good in the boys but the girls need lots of work.

Exactly what the person above said. North's junior program wasn't all that flash a few years ago. For reference the current strong 18s group had players leave the program in first year 14s who have been state players at other clubs. Why they leave? Because the program wasn't doing that great.

A few key people have come in and done a ton of work. Once their kids leave the system if they don't hang around then North falls back to the pack.

I can't see North "coming back to earth". They have the right balance of player development and short term success. Something that programs in SA has really struggled with.

The trajectory of their boy's teams is extraordinary and they are only really just getting started based on predicted forecasts.

As long as you do that I have no idea why a club SHOULD have a full time JDO. There are other ways to do this and possibly having several people doing all these activities is better as each of the tasks you mention require different skill sets which would be difficult to find in one person

I think we are both starting to find a middle ground we can agree on.

If you have the set of circumstances you have at North, agreed maybe no fulltime JDO required. However most clubs don't, so a JDO is required. The issue is hiring the right candidate. There has been plenty of poor hires over the years. Mesecke did a great job at Sturt over a very long time, and demonstrates the value of the role. Some have been poor choices, and my argument would be that it isn't necessarily the role but a committee of parents making the wrong hiring decision.

We've seen where not having a JDO has got some clubs to. There are multiple I can name that clearly need someone to come in and help fix their programs. If you think you can't get the right candidate with a full-time salary, you're definitely not getting them with a part time role.

North have a model they not many can follow. They have committed people such as Della-Pia, are stable and the big coup for them was getting people like Steve Kellis into the club. It certainly helps with recruiting when you have a guy with pro connections that he has putting in so much time and the only thing he looks for out of it is to share a meal with his coaches.

Sure if every club has a NBL player agent willing to do all that work, maybe you don't need a full-time JDO. But as far as I know there's only one Steve Kellis in Adelaide.

Pretty clear Sharon runs the junior basketball program at Eagles.

Shane is cooked at that club according to some. Many suggest his current role will be cut back and they'll get someone that is more efficient at getting back to member enquires.

The point I am making is if we look at the data, the only club to have stability in coaching directors over the last 20 years is Sturt, and their program shows it.

Southern have had stability for a little bit and they have clearly improved. Expect them to start falling off.

I was trying to be nice but since you bought it up I agree with South and Forestville. Not a great record by the now South coaching director, the slide from a once strong boys program at Forestville started under him, but that's my personal opinion.

Woodville have only recently hired a JDO. We have seen where not having one has got them, if the committee backs that person over time and they are capable you should see them improving.

My point is those clubs have a resource to assist young coaches. If you get good coaches you can then develop and attract talent. Talent doesn't simply fall into your lap, it takes time to develop and then retain coaching and playing talent.

Sturt have cut back the role.

Whilst the new Coaching Director is a big upgrade from the last one that was there he is juggling quite a number of significant external interests.

Sturt have gone for a very skilled and qualified candidate but he will not be at full capacity.

Sturt is beginning to slide fast since Mesecke has moved on, will be interesting to see if the new model they have adopted can stem the downturn.

The other thing to note here is that there is no doubt that Southern has improved over the time Dean has been there.

During Rogers and Willie's combined time, 2009 to now Norwood has improved massively.

The rot for both these clubs won't start overnight, but will show over the years if they don't replace these roles. Of course the people who make these decisions to cut these roles will often have moved on and others will be left cleaning up the mess.

South Australia's most successful junior club - Sturt.

The only club to consistently have a Coaching Director/JDO over the last 20 years and not change or cut the role - Sturt

Also only had 3 people in that role during that time as well.

It's not the low pay that turns people off the role, it's the fear about the future career path as you're at the mercy of committees who change and can cut you suddenly halfway thru getting the job done.

Sturt have had stability, plus the last two coaching directors have moved onto better jobs - one in Singapore and one in High Performance.


That leaves only Sturt, Woodville, South and Forestville (kind of - who's the JDO, Shane or Sharon) with full-time JDOs. If you are a young coach keen to learn and improve, they are the four clubs to go to. Talk to the JDO, evaluate what's best for you and go to one of them. Forgot the other 6 clubs.

It seems that there is a move for clubs to move out of the player development space and align more to domestic programs. Southern and Sturt appear to be gradually moving on away from the role of coaching director, drastically reducing the hours of theirs and making the role part time.

Norwood have made theirs redundant.

These 3 clubs were supposed to be the shining beacon of light for this role and it appears they have decided that the investment into this resource as a fulltime role is just not returning enough value.

My view has always been that fulltime basketball roles don't pay enough to attract good candidates anyway. Normally those taking on these roles really are unable to do it adequately, they just don't have the mix of capabilities and skills required and move into those low paid roles because they can't really do other jobs.

Where and how will player development happen in these clubs?

He is gone in every capacity

From the outside looking in I can only assume that Rojo will focus more on his junior role?? Or sacked from the whole club??

Do all coaches get sacked if they don’t give players 35 minutes including Webber the coach practice what you preach needs to work both ways

little man syndrome

The president wouldn’t know how to run a canteen let alone a basketball club. Can confirm ever since he has been there he has done nothing but make players leave Norwood in the next years will be nothing if the Webber’s stick around

can’t help but feel sorry for Rojo he found himself in a lose lose situation was highly qualified wasn’t allowed to do the job he could have done was punished in the end through no fault of his own. The bad part is the way the sacking was handled poorly executed and very poorly explained by club by President who needs to brush up on presentation and public speaking skills left hundreds of attendees in disgust should have been more convincing in the explanation left most people gobsmacked

Andrew Webber can’t handle the smoke. If only he was half the bloke that Daniel is. Doubt people will want to see another year of Andrew sooking everytime he’s subbed off heard he’s terrible on and off court and of course his brother will only get a new coach that can guarantee him 35 for minutes than he should get each week

Rojo has been sacked

Surely Rojo has to be there too as JDO!

dont know them from a bar of soap but it is obvious they are passionate about basketball if they are so invested. i donlt think the issue is WHO they are it is how many of them they are at the leadership level at the club that is the issue. even if what they are doing is above board they will get flack regardless so the best thing is for them to reduce numbers of family members invovled as there are many other people who would be willing to step up. if they are responding to what members want as they say in the removal of jojo then respond to what members want and balance out the leadership positions so it is not one extended family focused. it is one thing to run a family business with family members but this is not a family business.

Rogers was PL coach as well as coaching director last season.
You'll have to ask those in the know whether that will still be the case.

They didn’t perform coz of a few egos getting ahead of themselves. They won’t go far until they fix that

that north team is full of several bottom age players and they will be a force to be reckoned with in the upcoming season you don't need to divert attention away from the original post

Is it good or bad?

It will be interesting to see ‘what’ happens at Norwood.

Be careful what you post

Brad Robbins set to retire!!!