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U14 club champs

Anon where are you? We need your expert thoughts and wisdom #flog

haha yeah here is the link in case you still know it all.

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/01/30/casey-basketball-to-host-the-australian-u14-club-championships-for-2020-and-2021/?fbclid=IwAR2vRiTkItkcIZGeOshtAArj4CwngueUGzOnIlIkBZcCujnAFCP5f6qSoFM

With the delay in announcement, do we suggest the boys and girls could possibly be at separate locations?

ohhh and seems BA have updated their calender.

30 September – 5 October U14 B & G Competitions Australian U14 Club Championships

Announcement soon.

Anon..What rubbish..God you live a sad life to come on a lie and make shit up. Go crawl back in that hole of yours.

Word around the Eltham Dandy Tournament is that BA has indeed scrapped 14s. Spoke to the Casey U14 coaches who said they've heard rumours but the club has said nothing, and then was told by both Dandenong and Knox personnel that they were of the understanding that they had been canceled as of this year going forward.

Renee Norris at BA handles this...

Another week passes and still no announcement from Basketball Australia. Those in the know with Casey people know why the delay at all? WA will be the first to have their qualification tournament in a little over a month yet at this rate will still not know where and when the tournament will be held.

Perhaps they need to go to the old days and just have the 16 teams.

Yes correct but Vic holidays go a week earlier than all other states. Wish BA would justa nnounce it

Victorian schools commence term 4 on 5th October so I doubt these dates are correct.

No release but I asked someone I knew at Casey and they confirmed, just not the dates.

There isn't one.

Boys and Girls at Casey

Well said Red.

One of my kids attended both the U14 clubs and the newly formed SCC in 2018 and was a starter. The workload of attending both comps was not a problem; there was a spacing of several months between these events. If she wasn't chasing a ball around the court she would up to mischief at the mall or forever on her phone. The SCC is designed for state bball authorities to independently identify talent early and give them exposure to state development programs. It is a good initiative particularly for country ballers. But - as i mentioned elsewhere, the 14 clubs is one of most enjoyable tournaments your child is fortunate enough to be involved.

Classics is not national. Unless your ideology is WA doesn't count. As highlighted above by Anon, they don't attend because that weekend is a fixture weekend for them with their own season over there. Again, you show your lack of facts. Perhaps you should change your name to TrumpBallFan for accuracy purposes.

Every parent of a kid who plays basketball should worry about them playing year round with virtually, or in the case of those who go to Nationals, actually no off season. It’s fact that this is a major cause of injuries and kids losing interest. The Classic is a national tournament and so is the Eltham Dandenong, both are also also higher standard competitions because they have more Vic teams.

787501 - So the kids have a long year, who cares. 14s is unique because it is club vs club not state vs state. That is the beauty of it. To lose that for another state vs state competition would be just plain stupid given there is already three of those available to kids as they go through the different age groups. And for the record some states don't pick the best players and or coaches for SCC either so that argument to expand that tournament is also ridiculous. Not saying I agree with ranger on all their points, but the argument they made against your previous post was a pretty valid one. If you dislike 14s so much that's fine, don't attend. But I can guarantee having been a few times that the vast majority of clubs that qualify and in particular families and are realistic and know this will more than likely be the only time their child attends a national championships. That alone should be a huge reason why the tournament will remain as it is and has been for over three decades now.

SCC should be called "Fake State ". Leave the 14s alone.

Don't get your knickers in a Knot Ranger, I'm sure mummy still loves you. The timing is terrible because the kids who play have zero time between the end of the tournament and start of tryouts for the next season, the season is too long as it is, the stacking that it causes has a deleterious affect on competitions the other 51 weeks of the year. Its also not a proper National Championship because it doesn't have all the best teams, they would be better off expanding SCC and trying to get all the States involved. What benefit is it for the majority of Interstate teams getting belted in most of their games. The elite kids should get a chance to play each other, this is just the wrong forum for it.

Alot of blowup over literally nothing. If BA haven't said anything by now then you would have to assume that 14s are still on, given they're not for another nine months there just hasn't been the need to rush venue announcements. Unless someone has heard directly from BA then it's all rumours and innuendo at this point.

Going with the logic that they will be on like usual, which are the boys teams we think will likely qualify from each state?

SA: Norwood, North, South
QLD: Townsville, Brisbane, Southern Districts, Cairns
VIC: Keilor, Eltham, Dandenong, Hawthorn, Casey (Hosts)
WA: Warwick, Willetton, Rockingham
NSW: Sydney, Hills, Norths, Canberra, Albury

14s are no longer supported by the High Performance staff of the majority of state bodies, as those governing bodies make no money from club champs. It's been coming for a while but make no mistake about it, BA will be announcing that U14 Club Champs will be discontinued from 2020

Scrap scc and acjbc.



AJCs
U14
U16
U18
U20
National junior classic U12-u18 clubbing teams

Make junior classic bigger and introfduce u14 AJCs

I have a very different opinion on the club champs. I hope its abolished! Its timing is terrible, Vic kids who play in it get literally no down time between seasons, and because there are only 4 clubs that go each year it is a major cause of club hopping and team stacking, which has a negative impact on the VJBL competition.

Anon - your instinct is to value youth participation in our great game. I agree.

This is a worthy goal that needs to be backed and IS backed by the design of the tournaments you mention.

I am just saying I think there is a benefit to the game - within a busy competitive calendar full of tournaments of the type you mention - that stands a better chance of focusing broader community interest.

Anon 987 We are blessed with a number of great tournaments that you mentioned. Of this list, the Queens Birthday weekend Classic is - IMO - the most significant.

My perspective to ask what event will generate broad interest of a local community - like Coffs Harbour or Taree - BEYOND close relatives of the players involved.

For this i would argue the tournament needs focus and a simplicity, which we see in the U14 club champs. One division, one age group. Having 4 age groups, with - sometimes - multiple divisions (A, A reserve, B etc) , presents as a wash.

Put yourself in the position of a local newspaper editor - particularly one located in a country town - how saleable is the story?

The strength of basketball in the US derives from fanatical grass roots support for local teams featuring local athletes playing other communities across the nation. Is it not that the standard of basketball is all that high, is the extent to which local supporters are vested in their local club that makes the contest exciting.
The Aust U14 club champs is a tournament that has those elements - in what other sport can you get else Frankston playing Bankstown; or Manly playing Norwood; or Forrestville playing Willetin? The matchups are endless; and for many kids - taking place before studies gets too serious - it could represent their peak team sporting experience. I am a little surprised that the event does not receive more sponsorship interest.

No planning at Geelong so hands up it Caaey

No planning at Geelong so hands up it Caaey

Is this 100%? Do you know why it hasn't been announced?

Anyone heard anything further about the venue for Under 14 Nationals for 2020? Must be an issue if it is taking this long to announce.

Given it is fairly well known now that 16s will be at Warwick (WA) and 14s will be at Geelong (VIC), why doesn't BA just come out and make it official already.

Ridiculous if true. QLD, SA and WA teams pay 25-30k per team atm to travel to club champs. BA need to think more than just about looking after their own 'home state' associations and share their NATIONAL Championships around all states for all ages. Five years in a row it has not left VIC - Either make U14 Club Champs a truly national event again BA or find staff who will.

Hate to break it to all you inferior interstaters but the U14 Nationals are staying in VIC. To go with BA's new model of sites hosting for two years in a row, expect an announcement soon that Geelong United have been awarded the tender to host the boys and girls club nationals for 2020 & 2021. As mentioned in an earlier post, games to be split between AWA Stadium and Geelong Arena with Corio Bay to be used as a training facility.

Apologies Anonymous, my post was not meant to insinuate that you have to have a shiny new stadium to host an AJC, far from it! Mine was more in regards to court space in terms of being able to host the 14s Tournament in one location which BA obviously prefer to do in recent years - so at a minimum you would need a 10 court stadium to run five courts with adequate seating etc. With that in mind, the only stadiums I could think of would be Geelong and Bendigo that have adequate accommodation infrastructure as well but given that Ballarat has just been awarded 18s next year, as you so eloquently put it one would hope that BA are indeed sharing it around and maybe for 2020 they have to have the 14s at separate locations.

2020 Nationals

20s - ACT
18s - VIC
16s - WA (Confirmed its either Joondalup or Warwick - Maybe someone in the west can confirm)
14s - QLD / SA / NSW / TAS

Have heard Mackay pop up a few times for the 14s Boys. Candlestick Park could only hold three courts in a nationals format setup so would that mean another QLD assoc gets girls then?

How do you know this when it hasn't been announced formally by BA. The only venue they've announced is Canberra for 20s. And if that is the case then surely other states should get to host 16s and 14s then not just Vic centric mentality because BA are based there

Sorry meant 18s

Ballarat has the 16s next year

Sorry but Alb-Wod is not an option in terms of infrastructure needed to host boys and girls 14s. Aside from the fact it's a further couple of grand to get to travel wise for interstate teams as well as both facilities are showing their age, then it shouldn't be considered compared to some of the better options we have in this state of ours. I say it either has to be Bendigo or Geelong, with Bendigo getting my vote given they had school sport nationals there this year and have proven they can hold a tournament of that magnitude both on and off the court.

Where is the accommodation in Werribee to house 48 teams plus supporters?! Most will have to stay in the western suburbs or in geelong, in which case given their new stadium along with the arena just up the road, as well as corio bay as a training facility, then it would be far more logical for Greater Geelong Basketball to host next year rather than middle of nowhere with zero accommodation Werribee

For mine the options are Geelong, Bendigo or Albury-Wodonga

I think any area that has invested in a new stadium and / or infrastructure should put their hand up for a national tournament.

Been told by someone from BA directly, they will stay in Victoria 100% but there was absolutely no long term deal done with Ballarat. Multiple associations in both Vic Metro and Country have submitted EOI to host next year. Same person advised that 16s will be heading west.

The gold medal match was an absolute cracker. The lads on both teams did a great job.

BA has said they will be in Victoria again as they want them to be held with boys and girls together at one venue as has been the case for the last few years. With that in mind your candidates would be Geelong, Werribee or even a Bendigo if they keep with the regional theme.

Was there an amnouncement where they will ne held next year?

I wasn't far off with my SA team predictions

If you ask Ray he is a good coach but I think he is average and enjoys intimidating refs. Choked last year big time with the "dream" team.