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koberulz

Years ago

Is ESPN even actually HD?

I've had a quick look at this afternoon's game and TBH it looks softer than the other two did. Way too warm as well.

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koberulz

Years ago

Wonder what the "it's not HD" crowd thinks of this horribly clipped mess.

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Perthworld

Years ago

I would say they had an issue down scaling 1080i from the host broadcaster to the ESPN resolution, which seems to have been improved for the fourth quarter. So yes ESPN HD is HD but they had complications last night feeding it in.

If IMG are in charge of broadcast as that linked article suggests then it wouldn't come cheap. Strange if all of these changes are a cost-cutting measure then?

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koberulz

Years ago

It looked HD to me. Unfortunately these days a lot of people mistake brightness for picture quality.

If anything I thought black levels looked slightly elevated. It looked warmer than usual which can also make it seem less "bright", and thus less sharp, but NBL broadcasts in past years have been overly cool in a lot of venues so I'm not going to complain about a shift towards accurate colours.

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Anonymous

Years ago

It looked HD to me. Unfortunately these days a lot of people mistake brightness for picture quality.

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koberulz

Years ago

Well the cameras didn't, and the channel specifications didn't, so that absolutely rules out resolution as an issue.

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adam

Years ago

The fourth quarter 100% looked different to the first three.

Something changed

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koberulz

Years ago

Do you also think the fourth quarter looked better than the first?

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koberulz

Years ago

The score ticked up before the ball hit the rim on a few occasions.

Yeah I have no interest in the technicalities.

The technicalities are where you find causes and solutions, though.

If you've been happy with ESPN broadcasts of the NBA, NFL, etc then the resolution issue is irrelevant because those are 720p50 as well, assuming earlier posters are correct about that being the channel specs here.

If a low bitrate is causing a quality drop, shifting from Fox to streaming is likely to make things worse as any stream is highly likely to top out at a much lower bitrate than a TV broadcast.

I recall we had similar complaints about one of the open-air games, when the only issue was the natural light making it look different.

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Callan

Years ago

TV Blackbox, a media blog, has an article on the issue, they think it was caused by the off site broadcast. Which also caused the delays when crossing from the studio to the arena and the scoreboard being ahead of the play (which only bothered me personally when the shot clock reset before the shot was put up).

https://tvblackbox.com.au/page/2019/10/4/blurry-start-to-new-nbl-broadcast-season-leaves-fans-outraged

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Luuuc

Years ago

"I was watching it on ESPN HD. Doubt what I saw could be considered HD."

like kober said it is less than half the pixels even though it is called HD

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Years ago

watched sbs on demand chromecasted to my TV from my phone. it was flawless from start to finish.

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Anonymous

Years ago

we have HD Foxtel and base ESPN on foxtel as far as I know is not HD but with our package we get ESPN 2 etc and the HD package - so it is in HD. Basically you can get either HD or standard definition.

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KET

Years ago

Can’t go cutting off coverage before it finishes, real amateurish

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Zodiac

Years ago

NBL TV which was taking the SBS feed kept going.

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Senator11

Years ago

Watched it through Kayo and didn't notice anything to be honest, will use SBS On-Demand to compare, but my mate who doesn't have Kayo or Fox said the SBS broadcast cut off right at the end of the game?

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ashman

Years ago

Moose - not point in trying with Koberulz, he is the "technical" guru. If he says it was HD he "knows" it was "definitely" HD.

He surprisingly went untechnical with his constrasty statement though - it was almost like he had everyone fooled with dropping technical terms when he dropped the contrasty comment.

*sigh*

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Luuuc

Years ago

"technically HD but not Full HD (1080i/p), half the pixels"

actually less than half the pixels. no wonder it didn't look sharp at all. anyone still using 720 should have to call their broadcast MD for medium definition!

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Dunkman

Years ago

Watch it on sbs, it was perfect.

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RMQ

Years ago

Koberulz - while the broadcast may fit technical categories that make it "HD", it's clear to a number of viewers that wasn't to the standard many expect. Especially if you compare it to the NBA or recent FIBA World Cup.

Get off your nerdy "technically it's HD" high horse and accept that the broadcast did not pass the eye test.

It wasn't HD until the 4th quarter when something changed.

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koberulz

Years ago

No, the actual detail wasn't there. ESPN broadcasts in a lower resolution than Fox Sports

That resolution is still HD. And I've seen people complain that it looked worse than other things on ESPN, which can't be explained by the resolution.

720p, technically HD but not Full HD (1080i/p), half the pixels

It's significantly more than half the pixels.

1280*720 = 921,600
1920*1080 = 2,073,600
921,600/2 = 460,800
2,073,600/921,600 = 2.25

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koberulz

Years ago

No, the actual detail wasn't there. ESPN broadcasts in a lower resolution than Fox Sports

That resolution is still HD. And I've seen people complain that it looked worse than other things on ESPN, which can't be explained by the resolution.

720p, technically HD but not Full HD (1080i/p), half the pixels
It's significantly more than half the pixels.

1280*720 = 921,600
1920*1080 = 2,073,600
921,600/2 = 460,800
2,073,600/921,600 = 2.25

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Callan

Years ago

720p, technically HD but not Full HD (1080i/p), half the pixels but progressive scan rather than interlaced (in 1080i which every other channel uses), but that only really helps when watching Ice Hockey with the fast moving puck.

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koberulz

Years ago

*sigh*

Resolution isn't the only component of picture quality, and the things that look good to the untrained eye are often horribly inaccurate.

It looked warmer, less saturated and less contrasty than usual, all of which can make it seem softer. The actual detail was still there.

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