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Qbl announced as new nbl1

Meant to conclude that my statement, "Who do you go with? 2 who do or 15 who don't?" The "15 who don't" referred only to 1 state, Qld. Now multiply that by each state and we may need that new quantum comp to work out when it will happen.

Honestly agree sentimentally but reality is that I know of no-one who is satisfied with their own states' leagues' administration. Are you?

Now imagine all those admins working out the best way to attack the "national" issue. I could probably date this post as year 2029 and would still be relevant.

From the above post, "all the state leagues involved in devising what is best for Australian basketball rather than having just two organisations speculating what is best would be a more inclusive approach to getting buy in and possibly a better solution." the suggestion that 2 bodies (BV & NBL) are the only alternative, and that ain't good.

Well 1 of those bodies resurrected the NBL, the other has transformed itself into what is now considered to be the only 2nd-tier league in Aust. And it only happened when the 2 got together.

Ok, decision time! Who do you go with? 2 who do or 15 who don't?

As Isaac Assimov once wrote, "Don't let your ethics get in the way of doing the right thing." (book 4 of the Foundation series).

Honestly agree sentimentally but reality is that I know of no-one who is satisfied with their own states' leagues' administration. Are you?

Now imagine all those admins working out the best way to attack the "national" issue. I could probably date this post as year 2029 and would still be relevant.

From the above post, "all the state leagues involved in devising what is best for Australian basketball rather than having just two organisations speculating what is best would be a more inclusive approach to getting buy in and possibly a better solution." the suggestion that 2 bodies (BV & NBL) are the only alternative, and that ain't good.

Well 1 of those bodies resurrected the NBL, the other has transformed itself into what is now considered to be the only 2nd-tier league in Aust. And it only happened when the 2 got together.

Ok, decision time! Who do you go with? 2 who do or 15 who don't?

As Isaac Assimov once wrote, "Don't let your ethics get in the way of doing the right thing." (book 4 of the Foundation series).

please dont give any credit to BA in respect to the pioneers fiasco. they were the cause of the fiasco and far from a saviour as is implied.

Why are we now expected to believe that BV and NBL are so benevolent to champion this change for everyone but themselves. How does this sit with kicking the Pioneers out of the NBL 1 in its first year knowing it could possibly have been the end of the club until Basketball Australia stepped in.

Surely having all the state leagues involved in devising what is best for Australian basketball rather than having just two organisations speculating what is best would be a more inclusive approach to getting buy in and possibly a better solution. As Denis Waitley once said: "You must welcome change as the rule but not as your ruler."

Let's ensure we are not changing for change sake!

Taipans got the crappiest bench in the league because of three taipans players, horrible example.


Perfect example of why it’s an OK comp, that’s one team , who sacrifice their depth to pay imports.


The women’s teams in the QBL are the same, no depth other than a few players in some teams .


So yes it’s a. “Ok comp” but still well below what SEABL was and NBL1 is in both men’s and women’s

With a second NBL1 conference, will they begin the 'end of season championships' next year ? With the top couple from both NBL1 conferences playing off ? Or will they wait until all States are formally a part of NBL1 ?

Perhaps with the amalgamation of the state leagues under the NBL/NBL1 banner, an end of season could be televised on SBS/Kayo in the same way the NBL is?

I know the cost involved is significant for a club to attend an end of season carnival, but if a club has reached the top couple in their respective states, you would hope they have the resources to send the same team to this kind of tournament.

I'd also like to hope that clubs would be interested in the added prestige of being named National Champions, which could have a flow on effect for their club too.

no doubt the top few teams of qbl qould challenge for finals in nbl1 or the previous seabl teams. the top 2 or 3 sa teams would do so similarly and i am sure that the case in wa and perhaps nsw too. thats not the issue.

as i see it the issue is these quality 2nd ier players are spread out accross the country.

for these players to be developing (particularly if they are young) and trying to secure an nbl gig or a more luracative deal and more playing time in nbl they need to be challenged day in day game after game. that is not occurring in the current format and wont change in the new nbl1 format. an end of season tournament is insufficient it needs be season long high quality play.

we need all of these players playing in the one comp. the only competition with close enough clubs, population, financial support is the current nbl1 comp. this should be the sole focus of the nbl making this clearly the 2nd teir league that all quality players play in. there should be a reduction in melbourne teams so it is a league of about 14 teams.

other junior clubs who produce great talent encourage and want their players to make the nbl and beyond. there should be no difference and they should be encouraging their select few juniors to go and play in the 2nd tier comp to achieve the highest level of play they can (and pay). the "state leagues" should be treated as 3rd tier.

Taipans got the crappiest bench in the league because of three taipans players, horrible example.

QBL an "ok comp", "Low level players". Tell that to Cairns who had 3 current fully contracted Taipans, Alex Loughton, Jurlina and an Import (although not so quality) and finished 4th. The upper end of the QBL has always been at least on par with SEABL/NBL1 for a number of years. Many players move interstate for playing gigs in the QBL which says a lot about budget, recruiting etc. The change has only been 1 season and was only announced a few months before the season started. How about we re-assess in 3-5 years when it has been established.

What are rules around restricted players?

speaking to numerous players and coaches in both the men and women's teams in a number of different clubs, who joined the NBL1 league this past season, who previously played in SEABL, the resounding response was it was a huge step up from SEABL as far as management and media were concerned)not playing wise it was the same), far more exposure which the players all loved so too the fans, and if anything it increased crowds at games even though every game was live streamed and had commentary, sure the first few weeks the commentary for some was shall wee say, áwful'lol.
Many people had that same trepidation as to just how it would be better than SEABL as it looked for all its worth as SEABL by any other name, the inclusion of the BigV champ teams made for some interesting games in those first few rounds, but by the end of the season you could see they had been able to go further, they had better competition to play against.
QBL has been for many years an OK comp where some low quality (and a few ok ones) players could get a gig either in their home areas or a warmer climate than Vic over winter, some of those who are the 'big names'in QBL would be mediocre in the Vic league. But they could get better money than being ín the ten'in SEABL as most of those teams only paid their starting 5, and its the same in NBL1 hence why is a semi professional league. Now with the exposure the NBL1 can bring QLD may get more players wanting to come join nthe winter sunshine

Plus with more exposure(had way more followers than SEABL and WNBL has now), sponsors are more likely to hop on board, so its got to be a good thing for the sport, so QLD and any state really should try to embrace it, its like anything new, it will have its teething problems till it finds its groove, but NBL1 last season was a huge success here in Vic. And lets face it you have nothing to lose

My understanding is that not all qbl teams agree - only some of them!

QLD vs VIC: what rules are different?

Why will it be awesome?? It will be awesome if successful and clubs can afford to develop grass root players otherwise I’m not convinced

What are the different rules?

Climate change is happening too. Doesn’t mean it is good!

Would this second-tier, national comp be better if there were fewer teams overall with budgets that could afford full travel and accom costs like the NBL does, and to leave the various state teams where they currently are.

As an eg, I offer my region, the Sunny Coast. We have 2 fairly competitive teams in the (up-until-yesterday) QBL, the Phoenix (ex Maroochydore + 2 other local clubs) and RIP at the Uni. We both struggle financially with recruiting (local) players compared with bigger associations but we do well with true locals and we have been fairly lucky with imports. Put these budgets together and we could then have a Sunny Coast team that could be just as competitive as all other teams.

Gold Coast would fit this idea with a single team. Brisbane could have 2 teams made up from Brisbane, Southern Districts, South West & Logan. Ipswich & Tooowoomba - maybe 1 team, Gladstone & Bundaberg - maybe 1 team or join with Rockhampton. Mackay, Townsville and Cairns will go alone (3 teams). That's 9 teams. There is also talk of a Darwin/NT team, That's 10 competitive teams with, presumably budgets that could manage with our southern counterparts.

With Victoria's population, dedication to sports in general and its dedication to basketball in particular, it is no wonder that there are more clubs, more players and more money. And more - better teams. Let us, in states like QLD, better our expectations nationally with fewer, better teams than with more, inferior teams. And I would have absolute joy in cheering on my NBL1 team as well as my (Sunny Coast) QBL team.

So, yes. I am proposing that the QBL stays pretty-well as it is now. Sure I realise that both the RIP and the Phoenix will be weaker than they were by having their gun players in the national comp team but that will all adjust as all teams will face the same problems. In fact, the QBL may even lose some of the better, 1 city teams like our northern cities (then the QBL would resemble the ex Southern Cross League which, for its time, worked well until the whole state got together again).

If that was to happen, here's how I see it unfolding.

We Have a 2nd tier national comp, NBL1. Played in winter, predominantly weekend games. Some midweek games by neighbouring teams, if necessary, to get through schedule. Interstate games would all be double headers, at least.

(In QLD) basketball will have grown so much, and with the QBL having been reduced geographically to Sunshine Coast to Gold Coast and Toowoomba that the QBL can now be played midweek with Toowoomba presenting the only travel problem for the other teams (and itself, of course). In that scenario, all teams could still field near full-strength teams for QBL

When all the dust settles, that's the sort of 2nd and subsequent tiers I want to see emerge in Qld, anyway.

why does second tier need to be national? there is not enough depth of talent nor is their sufficient money. the talent we have will be spread to thin. there is a need for a strong off season second tier league ie seabl or the new nbl1. those talented enough should play in that league, it should be at most 15 teams. then the "state leagues" should be third tier.

I believe there is talk of a team from Darwin. Any news on this?

Either start using commas or stop making lists.

needs to be remembered that larry is doing all of this for one reason only and that is to make money. might not make it immediately but his plan will be to build up so that it does make him money or gets to a position where he can sell the nbl to make him money.
incredibly risk in my view to have one man control the whole sport throughout Australia.

agreed koberulz.

is it being suggested only some of the qbl teams will enter in nbl1? if so any idea how many? those that dont what league are they going to play in?

while it might work in places like nsw and qld to only have some of the current state league teams join and form nbl1 as there are a sufficient number of teams with enough resources and finances to compete what about SA. cant possibly suggests there are sufficient state league teams with resources and budgets to compete in an nbl1 league. i guess those they dont join just fold do they? or do they become solely junior clubs with no senior teams?

Big V existed alongside the SEABL, which was replaced by NBL1. Now the QBL is being replaced by NBL1.

Where still going to have local basketball leagues where still going to have regional and state leagues.

Nsw basketball has been crap for years, got better since old man Cadee left but still a long way behind. The club with the most finances is parramatta which is not a member of basketball nsw and doesn’t play in any of there competitions, they reckon it’s a rip off. It’s where the kings train now.
Hopefully this all changes when nbl get involved. I’ve known a fair few coaches and board members from a lot of nsw basketball clubs and they all think the same though I believe it’s improving.

the clubs as a whole dont have the money to do this. NSW clubs are smart in rejecting it. i believe sa have too atleast at the initial stages of convos. unfortunately there is insufficient money in the sport to run a national second tier competition. until larry took over there wasnt even enough for the first tier. could still argue not enough for a first tier with the league costing larry money to run as opposed to making him money. most teams also run at a considerable loss. it simply not sustainable. not sure what has been wrong with 2nd tier and grass roots system anyway seemingly producing the highest level of talent from this country ever. the second comp needs to be condensed not expanded. nbl1 need to get rid of about 4 melbourne teams which will increase the standard as players are too diluted at present. the league needs road trips to give the league the professional vibe. nbl1 remains as a "feeder" "development" league for nbl and the "state" leagues act a "feeder" "development" league for nbl1. creates a great pathway in my view.

This is awesome news for basketball in Australia.

Typically SA is years behind

if they can afford to compete

Part of the new Waratah League terms of entry is that associations must stream all games.

So does this mean if the COE joins the Waratah League for the upcoming season, we will still be able to watch all of their games live streamed? (Like last season in the NBL1)

the nbl wont be doing all the media and exposure for nothing. i agree its great and nbl1 exposure wise is fantastic. but the nbl collected $540K from the competing clubs to do this. one would hope it was of high quality. this doesnt include the cost of streaming the games which the clubs have too meet themselves. the fees to play in nbl1 are increasing again this year.

does anyone know what the entry fee will be for the nbl1 north clubs? will it be an increase on league fees last year? if the nbl1 are promising the same things to the north clubs as the are to the nbl1 teams it should be the same cost to enter a club shouldnt it? if they are using the money paid by the nbl1 teams to pump up the tires of the qld league i can see some clubs being put out

I hear that the Centre of Excelence will be joining the Warratah League?

If true, I don't see the benefit of this. Lower level competition for the COE and no more live streams of their games.

A big step backwards in my opinion

Same complaints about NBL1/SEABL switch ----- EXPOSURE forget national 2nd Division

NBL used its media department to give NBL1 its own online panel show, weekly Top 10 highlights that didn't look like they were done with imovie, live streamed games with commentary to enhance online viewing.

These simple exposure changes increase opportunity for small to medium sponsors to see more value you in the product at a local and regional level. The extra exposure and legitimate naming could help a young kid go to a better ranked college or get a full time pro spot overseas, and the imports are more liely to buy in to coming to Australia, agents and are more likely to encourage it.

Don't even worry what it looks like on the floor yet, this is happening before the ball is tossed up!

Great MOVE

the national/playoff carnival would be a complete waste of everyones time and at huge expense and for what? it is already well known which is the strongest league.

where did I say that? how many live stream games were there last season? it is of course a good thing so long as it doesnt affect fans actually turning up. the cost of live streaming each game must also be considered. its not cheap for a quality production. if the clubs are now meeting this expense on top of a no doubt increased entry fee (Nbl1 fee is $30k) will this impact the clubs ability to pay players? if it does doesnt that actually reduce the quality of the league?