Hoops

Brown to Coach Boomers at the Olympics

This one goes into the 'Disappointing, but not unexpected' basket!

Nothing confirmed yet, it might not be that straight forward. He’d be entitled to be paid out his salary. I’d love to no what Bogut thinks, you would think he’d get his opinion in.

robinsonbuckler@yahoo.com

Hope your inbox gets spammed now by me unobfuscating it.

Phonecalls & Skype are much easier too when there is littel or no time difference.”

ummm...

There are 6 main time zones in the USA (4 in the continental USA, plus Alaska and Hawaii).

“Offset” is up to 4 hours.

Jo Jon= Joe Ingles, I guess.

Azza? Jock strap? Jo jo?

In name form please, I don’t know all the nick names, thanks :)

JR

I thought you would be helpful but you are just another troll. It’s easy to put rubbish on coaches and bag local players but you can’t even give me the side you think can win gold. You are a total non achiever that can’t even put your Australian nba team together.

Browns last performance...

https://australia.basketball/blog/2012/10/29/boomers-farewell-coach-brett-brown/

Bahahaha "lucrative".


And no, not playing dumb. I asked because I recalled someone saying he didn't but I wasn't sure.

Koberulz, you really don't know what Brett Browns whereabouts in the off-season is.

I don't blame Beveridge for not taking it well. Marvin was an absolute dick to him about applying for the Boomers head coaching position.

Brown doesn't live in the US in the off season, does he?

JR

Still waiting for your Olympic team, put it together for us, BB and BA obviously read hoops so you can help them out.

kr agreed it's a real shame with the NBL TV coverage back then being regionalised - it was what it was. I recall outside of Wildcats games the only ones televised in Perth not involving the home side were Grand Final series, which would lead to a weird feeling of watching two neutral teams. Not even replays of other games in the middle of the night. The only people who had access to all live games were satellite enthusiasts who could catch the various beams sent to the away side's broadcaster on C-band. Cal Bruton apparently has a big collection on VHS which may have been sourced via this method?

Once the regional TV deals were scrapped and the only coverage was national via ABC/Foxtel it took a while to adjust to not watching my team every week.

In saying that (my original point) is that a lot of the references thrown out by me are actually post-2000 yet no one seems to recall much at all?

#776062 you're a gem.

Lemanis is a 4th place expert. Olympics/NBL/World Cup three-peat.

" You're delusional. Simmons yes, Bolden maybe, and that’s all that matters to BA with this appointment. Hardly think ol BB is gonna be flying across the US to Utah, San Antonio, Celeveland, Phoenix etc regularly you have coffee with his Boomer boys during an 82 game nba season and playoffs. 

Hilarious ! "

when the 76ers play the jazz, suns, spurs, maverick, pistons I am sure Brown will definitely have a chat, face to face meeting with his potential nba boomers, you dumbass.

Beveridge only left Illawarra because of to many conflicts with the owner.

All this talk about Brown is interesting considering his past record with the Boomers.

Why not give someone like Beveridge a go.

He is a very good coach.

Knows the players and a lot of them would play for him.

Not a yes person like some.

Would certainly be worth a go.

The Classics archive on NBL TV is a start but I wish there was wider availability of historical information regarding the NBL. When I first stumbled across the tape trading thread on the other forum I was super excited at the opportunity to get my hands on some older vision but outside Ellis/Grace/Fisher/Vlahov/Crawford for Perth and the absolute top tier from other clubs or guys that still had significant presence in the early 00s, I had no idea what to look for.

Even growing up as a Wildcats fan I'd never heard of guys like Roland Brooks, Dan Clausen, Craig Fitzsimmons, or Adam Brennan. I had no idea who Darryl Pearce and Al Green were.

Compare that to the NBA where everyone knows Wilt, Russell, West, Magic, Bird, etc.

I'm glad someone appreciated my Dave Claxton reference. I was looking for a glorious and extreme example all in one hit.

Simmons will pull out of tokyo due to "injury" anyway so all of this would be for nothing

#018

Who you going to blame when we run eighth.

Still no one has put up our Olympics team. All you Lemanis knockers. Where is your team?

That USA team was NOT that talented! Marcus smart, joe Harris... and guys were dropping out with a week before the tournament. That short turnaround would indeed the chemistry. And agreed this it’s not an all star event etc but to say the USA were all that talented is a joke in itself. They were ripe for the taking and many took advantage of them.

I’m glad someone appreciated my Dave Claxton reference. I was looking for a glorious and extreme example all in one hit.

" Anything less than a medal and this forum will go crazy.
I'm not a big Lemanis fan either but I'm not convinced Brown will get us a step higher than 2019.."

Lemanus's reign spanned 5 years.
Even if Brown does not win a medal in 2020
he should be persevered with until the 2024 Olympics.

So we are going with exact same team plus Simmons. Have I got this right?

Haha, a Dave Claxton reference. Gold.

I think the hiring of BB really kills two birds with one stone. They needed a good replacement for Lemanis and someone who was willing to spend x amount of time in Australia as BB does and being the coach of Simmons (and Bolden) in the NBA should go some way to ensuring Simmons plays in Tokyo.

BB is an especially ideal replacement as on the surface it appears his NBA coaching days are winding down, he lives here in the off-season anyway and he can just ease into semi-retirement with the Boomers job once his NBA job goes.

No arguments there but that doesn't mean BA should go and hire his club coach.

For those who say that Lemanis' system has repeatedly failed seem to overlook the great results we have had under him. One could say reaching for Mars and only getting to the moon. Still commendable, far from failure.

In international ball, the weakest teams are the BEST from their regions. To get as far as we have & still do, says that Lemanis and his system is far from failure status. We want better? Sure. But what we really want is a tiny bit of better. Many of you have said things like; only a missed free-throw to make the gold-medal game, a bad call near the end of a game and so on. and yes, the fact that our real superstars were just plain buggered by the end of the tournie suggesting that back-ups were inappropriate selections. Too few of the available roster doing too much of the required work.

So, i think that the only issue is Ben Simmons (Bolden would be handy but not nearly important enough to give him any sort of input into coaching).

Once again I will repeat what is becoming my favourite come-back. Isaac Asimov's quote, "Don't let your ethics stop you from doing what's right". In this case, my ethics say keep Lemanis but I know that the right thing to do is to not (keep him). Sorry, Drey!

JR

I don’t know enough about the nba, that’s why I need your knowledge to put a team together. It can’t be that hard for you.

"I'm looking forward to it, he’s coaching me now, I’ve known him my whole life, but I’m excited to put together a great team and a great coaching staff," Simmons said.


ok, let's hope Ben get rid of the nbl players too, they are not up to the task. ( except Cotton, Bogut, Creek )

JR

Name your squad of nba players and their positions. Swing us doubters around.

BigBen'sBabyBlankieBrettBrown

Good point Ph50

It’s medal or it’s total failure, less teams and games so should be easier. The pressure is on.

'The die is set unfortunately. Anything less than a medal now in Tokyo and Brown must fall on his sword.' Not unfortunately; medal is the minimum requirement with this group. BA have finally seen that and made a potential medal winning change.

For those suggesting the change shouldn't have been made, I laugh at the suggestions that repeatedly failing somehow justifies retaining the personnel and systems that have produced the repeated failures in the misguided belief that they will somehow then produce success. If Lemanis has walked, i commend the man for his strength of character in seeing he was no longer the one to get the best results out of this group.

Enough about Brown not having time to implement a 'system'too. Lemanis's much vaunted 'system' didn't work repeatedly anyway. These are essentially All Star teams thrown together with minimal preparation. The teams with the best talent, healthiest and able to work together enough will win. Look at Spain. No amazing system there, but talent, depth, desire and execution under pressure.

While a proactive change, one senses this will now be a splintered group, with the new Simmons camp moving in over and above the old guard of Mills, Baynes, Delly, Bogus. Will Brown try and harness them all, or will we see him bring his squad in ? Dont expect (m)any NBL players in Tokyo.

It is plausible, but it is also plausible that this is PR spin to save face for Lemanis while also removing BA from blame by those who wanted Lemanis to stay in the job. PR win-win.

Why not just replace BA with the Kardashians before Tokyo instead of afterwards?

Well there you go.

This can only end well.

BA at their finest.

"Boti claims Lemanis resigned rather than jumped, that there was no preasure from BA, he had just lost the urge, In my historical experience of BA, this is extreemly plausible,"

It is plausible, but it is also plausible that this is PR spin to save face for Lemanis while also removing BA from blame by those who wanted Lemanis to stay in the job. PR win-win.

Tall poppy syndrome to explain the attitudes towards Bolden don't hold up to scrutiny. Bolden was on most people's list as their starting 4-man for the World Cup. From what I recall, and anyone is welcome to prove me wrong, most people who now claim Bolden is not a lock, or say they don't care if he isn't selected, had Bolden on their World Cup team, usually as a starter.

As for Simmons, the criticism comes from him not making himself available to play, and seemingly making demands to play. That's not tall poppy syndrome. Surely everyone wants our best player to buy into the national team.

"More of those guys could get in at the expense of Goulding or Creek, but I think that first 9 showed they're worthy of those spots."

Cram, you seem to be under the mistaken belief that BA rewards past good performances. ;-)

Boti claims Lemanis resigned rather than jumped, that there was no preasure from BA, he had just lost the urge, In my historical experience of BA, this is extreemly plausible,

Like most organisations , they hate change, I think only Smyth got "told" and that only after loosing a WC place to NZ,

can easily see Lemanis abdicating, particularly if he saw great difficulties with Bolden and Simmons ahead.

One Mills foul shot from a g'teed silver and sossible gold ? - soooo true

They should Crown on board as a sponsor......oh wait

BA must have felt under pressure during the last champs. Such a strong team that so many said would medal because it would be full of NBA players.

Now that it’s over And they’ve had time to think ... It’s a pretty poor look when Australia’s best player refuses to play for the current coach, very embarrassing for BA. It probably also meant a big loss of media attention and therefore $$$. (Imagine the media attention when Ben AND the Kardashians are associated with the team!) On top of that, Andre probably needs a break so he can concentrate on his struggling Brisbane team, which the NBL needs to be successful. And, of course, Brett had been told last season that anything less than Conference championship was going to cost him his job. (If he wins the Conference, he goes out a winner anyway.) And, to top it off, we’d have so many NBA stars (as far as the general public and fanboys are concerned) available to work under a successful NBA coach who everybody loves anyway.

Such a simple solution, isn’t it? The media attention and $$$ will be flowing in, everyone will be rushing to play, the coach is everyone’s Mr Nice Guy and is great in front of the media, and with a roster of NBA stars we can’t possibly lose. Simples.

I don't see why some people are talking about Bolden as though he's even close to a lock. After pulling out like that, I'd be fine with him not getting a look in.

Having said that, I think ideally we'd go in to Tokyo with the 9 guys who played in the rotation in China and replace Barlow, Sobey and Gliddon with Simmons and Broekhoff and then one of Maker, Motum, Exum, Bolden, Cooks, Adel, Humphries depending on form and team balance.

More of those guys could get in at the expense of Goulding or Creek, but I think that first 9 showed they're worthy of those spots.

And of course, it doesnt guarantee Simmons even plays in Tokyo- but it should hugely increase the chances

[Who wins... A Lemanis coached team without Simmons and Bolden, or a Brown coached team with those 2 playing?]

Good question

But I think the issue is bigger- Simmons playing in Tokyo probably increases the chances of a long term buy in to the Boomers program

So, the Brown appointment could reasonably be considered a part of a long term investment in getting Simmons on board.

Everyone on his is criticizing Simmons and Bolden need to have a good look at yourself. Once again the tall poppy syndrome is coming from all angles.

What you don't realize is they're not the problem. BA have placed Lemanis with
Brett Brown, who in 2012 coached the boomers and whilst he is coaching the 76ers, which will keep him occupied until at least April and possibly June if they make the finals. Simmons and Bolden is not the problems.

He will most likely not have time put in place a system that will be strong enough to play for a medal.
His fiba experience is outdated from when he last coached the boomers in 2012.
He doesn't have relationship with key nba players.

And lets face it. BA relationship with past, current and aussies players who are in college that could potentially become a boomer, is non existent.
Brett Brown as the boomers coach doesn't repair some deep rooted issues that are far from being resolved and because of that, don't expect a medal in Tokyo!