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36ers players caught in 3am scuffle after Cairns loss

Back to original topic, lucky Mirko Djeric wasn't around. But not sure if it would be lucky for others or just him!

What would rejecting mediocrity look like?

At the risk of discussing the actual topic, people who expect professional athletes to keep the same schedules as 9-5 office workers are bizarre to me.

If you were expecting 10 wins, as a fan, you clearly accept mediocrity. I don’t, they failed before the tip off with the recruiting.

The above post, represents my life perfectly when it comes to the 36ers. I’ve had enough of it, been done for a few seasons now infact. Used to be a die hard fan, wouldn’t miss a game for anything, now days I can’t afford to get too attached to a mediocre product for my sanity sake!

Who has played above their level? Maybe drimic in spurts? Dj has gone missing as much as he has had some individually huge stat games. I can’t think of anyone who has exceeded expectations

Froling was expected to take a step forward this year not one backwards, Joey's already stated how disappointed he is with him. Not surprising given his college career. But a couple of close defeats go the other way and they're solidly in third spot. Better than new Zealand expectations.

I don't believe money is the be all and end all of how you do on the Ladder.

3 seasons ago the top four was Adelaide, Cairns, Perth and then Hawks. The top two spenders of the league didn't even make the playoffs, the lowest two spenders were 2nd and 4th!
In fact The Hawks beat the Sixers and advanced to the GF.

2 seasons ago Adelaide were not top spenders, had adversity brought in Childress and somehow it all clicked and in the end we swept Perth and were an injury away from winning.

This season we have Melbourne close to falling out the top 4 despite spending big on Long, Trimble, Prather + Illi (not as much), Cairns firmly entrenched in third spot, in fact Space Cam didn't even want Wildcats money.

Having money generally puts you in a better position, but guarantees nothing.

Not vaving money generally puts you in a worse position, but guarantees nothing.

Ofcourse it’s a general take. Just because my opinion is coming across general etc doesn’t mean it doesn’t warrant some respect.

But stay blindly supporting, accepting the excuses the club or coaching staff want to put out there. You make it sound like the team they have, was the only team of combined players they were ever going to be able to put together, and general or not, no way that could be true.

It's a lack of understanding constraints and externalities.

The type of people who think "where there's a will there's a way" - well, pragmatically, that's not a cure-all.

#788160 - that's a super bizarre reference!

36ers management have a strong track record of incompetence and screw ups: Newley, Ingles etc. I can't think of a single person on here that believes otherwise.

"Maybe if fans like you lot, didn't defend such mediocrity, the club would feel more pressure to make changes."

This. So many on here defend the undefensable from these Adelaide Sixers believe they are bulletproof. Creek was wrong. Sobey was wrong. The Adelaide Aboriginal artist was wrong. Wiley was wrong. You are the NBL's version of Iraqi people defending Sadam Hussein as Baghdad burns around you.

Ok KET, it’s ok, your passionate about your point of view and that’s cool.

Hopefully next offseason things are conducted differently, because we all want a winning team to support but be annoyed by.

lmao, it's easy to talk shit when you're not the one in the position of having to do the recruiting.

"Oh, you should be smarter not pricier", because there are many stronger players who are cheaper in the world? Not really how market-based pricing works!

"Just get it done" "just be smarter" "just be creative" ahuh, rightio.

You really think that 36er playing group is making the finals? Please. They’ve checked out. Just because it’s not a mathematical thing yet, doesn’t mean it’s not over. They’re done.

You guys are muppets lol

Maybe if fans like you lot, didn’t defend such mediocrity, the club would feel more pressure to make changes.

If money is the issue then even more concentration has to placed on the recruiting aspect. No money yet they bring in the likes of JVG etc he’s not relocating for peanuts.

Anyways my point was they didn’t need to necessarily recruit pricier, but smarter. They didn’t. Not sure who the blame is on, you guys seem very defensive of it all, so maybe you know someone who your worried will cop the heat when the season is done.

Professional sport so players should not be out clubbing during season especially at 3am
And definitely not before or after a game, especially a loss.
Management grow some balls and slap them with a fine at least.
Great example to set for junior players by clubbing.

It’s not hindsight, when the majority of the fan base knew it was curtains before game one.

I applaud your rose coloured glasses, but I whole heartedly disagree with your assessment of how this season has been constructed and then executed.

So money was the reason for losing to the hawks at home? Was it the reason they had a lead they should’ve held against the kings at home in the last minute?

Money is a factor, it’s not the only factor. Adelaide, have shown to be inconsistent and most would agree are about one or two key players short of having this season gone very differently. That doesn’t mean the players they needed had to be franchise playing superstars, just the right supporting cast. They got it wrong this season, not due to money, but due to not recognising the issues early on and adjusting.

But whatever, it is what it is. Drums will be banged from both side of this matter till the end of time.

"Just recruit creatively" is a nothing phrase and is not a solution for recruiting a team of inferior players to win.

It's a pretty simple equation: the teams with money to spend are the teams which snap up the best Australian talent.

When 36ers play, they play against those players who command more $$$. The reason they command more $$$ is because they are superior and more likely to get the job done.

That tells you why they're 10 wins and not 15 wins.

Just love the expectation that anyone who fails, it's because they aren't smart enough to be a 2015/16 Leicster City opposed to a clear fact that those with resources have the advantage.


So - accepting mediocrity? Well no, it's just the reality with the team we can afford.

If I was a Melbourne fan, i'd be pissed off and calling for heads given the resources and star power.

PlaymakerMo, look. At the roster. The proof is in that pudding.

Brunson that was a terrible example of trying to sugar coat shit.

Moore should’ve been replaced, griffin should’ve been held accountable and either shipped out or benched for not playing defense which is a pretty important element of the game!!! None of these factors have only just been noticed, they were obvious from the seasons beginning.


To try and sell on opportunity? Please, these guys are getting paid to perform, he hasn’t gone above and beyond to give players court time etc he’s had no choice with the cattle he has!

And big deal on randle’s inclusion, some might say it has been to the detriment of the team. Next time he hits the deck, see how quickly his teammates come to help him up. He’s not popular.

Anyways agree to disagree on basically everything.

The Mitch Creek ransom debacle probably hurt their recruiting more than their supposed lack of budget

Agree with that above analysis.

Every team has to spend up to 90% of the cap, then there are marquee rules and others to allow deductions above the cap. Adelaide are paying some of there middle of the road players over, Drimic when he signed was still at college and was telling all, his first year was 120g going up. He’s had a fair year Drimic and I don’t want bag him but far to much for a straight out college player considering he’s probably on a fair bit more now. McVeigh an Australian junior rep and captain probably got a fair hunk as well. It’s probably part reason Joey get these guys but when they are getting more then the top end guys are getting less so you don’t get the best.
Cairns are doing fine and I bet they spend less than Adelaide. Money is not an excuse, recruiting is the problem.

Surely there is no truth to ramone injuring himself in the scuffle? He wouldn’t have even travelled. But interesting he has now been announced to be done for the season. Pity they didn’t call that 2 games earlier and sign someone else.

Some go back to their room and have a early nite, and do 100 pushups first thing in the morning.Some wanna go out 'd tell em they gotta be back in their room at 1

Ofcourse money is a critical factor. But unlike yourself I believe it’s the only factor to determining a decent roster. The roster this season is lazy, no imagination was put into constructing it. That’s not a money issue, that’s a lack of recruiting the right way.

Greater purchasing power over opposition is pretty fundamental to being better than the opposition. If that wasn't the case, teams wouldn't bother to spend as much as they do.

As Brunson says, the better weather doesn't justify the pay cut.

That's very naive.

If it’s purely a money thing, then why bother supporting them?

Brunson you’re not thinking logically enough. Decent recruiters build teams from the bottom up as much as the top to bottom. They didn’t have to spend big money imports etc they couldve built the bench players better. Imagine if they’d uncorked a Magnay type, not on big money, yet. They went with white, Dillon and McVeigh. I feel they were somehow expected Drimic to be all star 5 level based on the how they rounded things out.

We will never know what money the 36ers brass were/are playing with, everyone is giving out false misleading numbers. But at the end of the day, this roster was poorly constructed.

Ramone Moore hurt his arm in the scuffle

Look at Melbourne and Cairns. Money doesn't automatically equal winning

Exactly. The money is everything to make a team great debate is a weak one. Whoever is in charge of the 36ers recruiting, can’t be hiding behind that excuse. They simply have to be more creative, show even more attention to detail and get the right players to make the whole thing work.

Could say that money hasn’t helped United this season either, so if Adelaide had recruited appropriately, they’d have leap frogged United for example. But accepting a 10 win season from the beginning is cool lol

Perth got no input from their third import last season and did ok

You honestly think that team assembled is mediocre due to millions extra dollars? That’s very naive. If it’s purely a money thing, then why bother supporting them? They’ll never financially compete, BUT that doesn’t mean they can’t be more accurate with the players they do sign.

Their record is close, they were one upgrade away from being a clear 4th. As is, they have too many players in the same positions, they should’ve done more homework on Ramone Moore’s body, as they have missed any input from that 3rd import spot all season.

you clearly accept mediocrity. I don’t, they failed before the tip off with the recruiting.

All teams piss on when on the road. NZ were at the Mosley in Glenelg till 2am a few weeks ago. I seen them skulling cruizers with the locals. Funny how in Adelaide we treat the road team well and socialise with them. Cairns locals not so much....

The nbl isn’t set up like the nba. Where if you don’t have a good season it means you get draft picks, a chance to rebuild etc

If you were expecting 10 wins, as a fan, you clearly accept mediocrity. I don’t, they failed before the tip off with the recruiting.

that makes this season a failure for the 36ers

Yeah, I just googled the article again. Def would’ve held his opportunities back. Like I said, wasn’t convicted, still there is a stigma that comes with that. Plus Florida is a crazy place haha

Then again, so is cairns by the sounds of it!

Google griffin lol

But no, no convictions for anything from the players. It’s just another mini story coming together that makes this season a failure for the 36ers. Once the stories the losses add up enough, even the ones where the players aren’t at fault leave a sour overall taste.

With their next game a week away, not really a big deal IMO.
The club being disappointed but not taking any action seems like a reasonable response to me.

"Crazy how NZ get ridiculed for similar"

The Adelaide players weren't arrested and charged...little bit different.

“ To be fair nightclubs in Adelaide close by 10pm and are not open on Sundays or Wednesdays”

You’re not from Adelaide evidently

Crazy how NZ get ridiculed for similar on these boards, but Adelaide get a free pass. To be fair nightclubs in Adelaide close by 10pm and are not open on Sundays or Wednesdays so it is a luxury for these players to visit other, normal states.

Fair enough. Haven't noticed it with Griffin but nothing would surprise me with McVeigh.

Sorry, I should have been more specific and said not surprised Griffin was involved. Agreed with Senator, if you watch any of the plays where he doesn't get a call he looks like he's going to explode (IMO only of course).

"Not sure why OP wasn't surprised Randle and Griffin were involved"

When I heard about it, but didn't know the players named, Griffin was one of the first that came to mind along with Froling and McVeigh, has that crazy look in his eyes.

Especially dumb move given what has happened with Glen Rice Jr this season already

Midnight curfew? What are they 17 years old? It's Griffens last chance to enjoy the night life in Cairns.

Those Cairns guys are lucky Bijan Johnson wasn't out, they'd be at the morgue instead of the lock up...