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Vic really needs the other States to lift there games. If you listen to BV podcast with the former high performance coaches they are quite clear that Vic kids play too many games and don't do enough work on individual development. But this will never change unless the other States start beating them more often, because the competitions generate so much money.

The Vic teams really underperformed in the u14 section of SCC, compared to the u15's. The u14 age group is really strong in both boys and girls, but the teams were very poorly selected, underprepared and the coaches seemed to be happy for some of the kids to play hero ball the whole tournament. I would suggest this is a reflection on the performance of the new high performance coaches. I don't like the chances of them making any changes for the better without being forced to by weight of underperformance.

I wouldn't say Vic rule at youth development. I'd say the masses of population mean they win junior tournaments. For all their success at junior national torunaments I'd say traditionally not enough players have gone on with it. Might change now with all the great resources they are throwing at this.

From where I sit it goes in ebs and flows in certain states and seems to coincide with certain people working in the space for periods of time but then they move on or get feddup and it all dies off. We saw it in QLD with Leonard King involved for a period of time but what did he leave in place?

The key is to develop a sustainable model. Pick the brains of those that really know how to get it done, with proven success in the space, implement these ideas, then a real hotbed of talent will be developed in the region that does that. Basketball, in general, is really bad at generating sustainable success in this space.

Youth development

Vic rule at basketball
Nsw rule at soccer
Qld rule at rugby
Sa at ping pong
Etc

You only have to produce 10 talented kids over 2 years to have a chance at winning, yet vic dominate almost every year.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. I assume you are one of these people that get bitter at those that deliver solutions.

I agree with the idea that Friday night competition doesn't have as much of an impact as training and individual player development but the higher standard of competition amongst victorian players is a massive factor.

If you take away the Friday night game time they still get to compete against high level players at training and as there's more of them in vic at the moment, players will just get better by playing better players more often as a result. SA have a few really good teams and the players in those teams will be fine as they'll play against other high level players in their own team but theres kids in those 5th and 6th teams who wont be as good as they could be through not being able to compete against higher skilled players.

Infrastructure and training programs play a massive part in this, really hard to find casual court space in places like Queensland but there are hundreds of courts available in vic that allow players to refine their game

A-Men!

The first State that prioritises skill and physical development over money and winning in younger age groups will gain a massive advantage. SA have a good enough competition, if they do other things better, to be better than Vic in the older age groups despite the disadvantage they have in numbers. Basketball Vic's pathway is a joke, its just covered up by some well run club programs and shear numbers.

What changes would you make Vic Rules ?
Separate the Vic Teams so that the other states have more of a chance to win ?

Friday night competition is almost irrelevant to success at higher levels. It won't get better either until we actually focus on player development. No point complaining about it. What is relevent? Competition at trainings. Ability to instil confidence and self-belief in athletes. Develop intrinsic motivation so they go away and put in the copious amounts of work individually to develop to that level. Instilling high level, elite, rapid decision making skills in players rather than boxing them in roles and mitigating their growth. I could go on.

Yes, correct.

The U20 SA Men in 2017 dominated and won gold for first time in at least a couple decades. In 16s that age group finished worse than 10th. What happened? Was the competition they played against locally strong for their 20 mins of game each Friday night?

The U18 SA Metro men won silver last year. In 16s they were 5th. What happened? Did the competition suddenly make them better?

The 16s SA Metro team medalled last year. Was the competition in 16s on a Friday particularly strong here?

Plus out of these age groups there have been multiple Classics medals. Was this due to the peak in Friday night competition?

Plus more kids go to the CoE/AIS/NBA Global, onto D1 collegiate level and now about to begin to hit the pros. Was this due to a sudden boom in the Friday night competition here in SA?

Think/learn/develop your ability about player development and maybe stop blaming "the competition".

The problem is player development often involves sacrificing short term success for massive longer term gain. That involves these youth coaches sacrificing themselves and all of them are self-serving and/or just don't get it.

What changes ?

If it was down to population, wouldn't NSW be leading the way ?

718, 715 is right.

Blaming the competition is a copout by coaches that can't develop players.

A good comp would mean players have 20 mins of high-level competition playing time per week. These kids will soon spend 6-7 hours training per week. Figure out where kids will do vast majority of their development. True competition would help but it is a very small part of it. Focus on the development players get in their training envrionment at club and high performance program level and stop blaming the Friday night comp and sure enough some of your guys might actually become good players.

And even better still find/figure out how to develop the intrinsic motivation of your athletes to do extra work in the weights room and on their skill development and suddenly that 6-7 hours of practice time vs 20 mins of game time blows out to 15-20 hours of development time vs 20s mins. But NO you will sit back and keep blaming "the competition" instead of try to figure out how to make your guys good.

SA teams were ordinary apart from the 14's Country team who did well. VM had better athletes that weren't selected for whatever reason? Dont get ahead of yourselves it is only a development tournament.

Thought they'd give it to Gliddon for sure though all three of the main guys would've been good choices. I only saw the Cairns-Perth game of the three, however.

Deleon was unstoppable, hitting 7-of-13 from the field, including 5-of-8 from beyond the arc and 12-of-14 free throws to add to his eight assists and 7 rebounds.

The NBL’s leading scorer Ben Madgen continued recent scoring glut, putting up 33 points on 13-of-22 shooting, eight rebounds, five assists and three steals in guiding the Sydney Kings to a drought-breaking 83-67 win over Townsville.

In the upset of the round, the Cairns Taipans knocked off Perth, with Cameron Gliddon putting up 26 points (8-of-13FG), six rebounds and five steals.

Perth’s Matthew Knight, Sydney big man Darnell Lazare, Hawks forward Larry Davison and Crocs sharp-shooter Peter Crawford were also among the standouts in Round 21.