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Premier League to NBL1 Central

West will def be in 2021. All clubs have agreed to this happening

So potentially 5 conferences more to come in?

Aus
East, west.

Nz
North, central, south

been able to gamble on games in the old seable and big v for years

And soon you'll be able to GAMBLE your money on the games. Did you realise that!

How will they fall behind?

It’s the same premier league with the same players and the same small crowds.

It’s effectively just a naming rights sponsor for the league.

The clubs don’t all of sudden have more money to lure or retain better players.

3. I can't talk for the SA PL, but over here in WA, the SBL were going to subsidise it. And remember it's only the men's comp that will have this 'national championship' weekend. As far as NBL players are concerned, if they played on the previous weekend in their NBL1 Central grand final, I'm pretty sure they will be given another week. And as far as I'm concerned, if you are a club relying on NBL fringe-players to win you a championship, then you're at risk of losing those players towards the end of the season irrespective of if you are part of NBL1 or not.



The women will also play the championship weekend,

Which part?

"NBL1 south clubs have to pay an entry fee of 33k. No idea what this is for. Referee costs are in addition to this and about another 9k. In addition there are travel costs. These funds are paid to basketball Vic"

not fake 100% accurate

I am confused as I thought Dean Anglin was Basketball Victoria’s Senior Elite League Manager and therefore employed by basketball victoria and not the NBL. has this changed?

the NBL1 south league commenced when SEABL was disbanded by BA. BV came out and said they were starting up a new elite league. it effectively replaced seabl all those clubs played in nbl1 but for a couple plus some new vic clubs. there was much discussion about what the new league would be called. not too far out from the commencement of the season it was announced the league would be called nbl1. i thought it was like the nbl were the victorian leagues naming right sponsor and as apart of that deal they were going to handle the "media" type work.the clubs would have to meet some match day kpi about what the on court product looked like

is that right and the nbl are basically coming on as naming right sponsors for the other state league and a part of that deal is the participating clubs need to meet some kpi on match day.

or is this something that is really being pushed by BV (doesnt really make sense they would) but has me thinking as it is suggested above that anglin is involved in the negotiations with those states but he is employed by bv not nbl?

Please elaborate on the problems

On a more positive note does anybody know the season kick off weekend dates? Or is it to far out for BSA given they have problems all over the place at the minute.

Maybe if Sturt and another club do not like it we can have a stronger 8 team, 21 round season

There are no 'entry fees' being charged by the NBL. The additional costs that the NBL1 South teams were given at the beginning of last year were from Basketball Victoria. This was a question I personally asked Dean Anglin (NBL1 Ops Manager). He assured us that those additional costs the NBL1 South teams received were nothing to do with NBL1 itself.

Basically if any new NBL1 clubs are on the receiving end of significant additional costs relating to entry into NBL1, you will find those costs are coming from their state body.

It's SA, of course there is scaremongering! The most resistant state to any form of change.

Wow Chinese whispers being fed by mischievous comments - a recipe for global panic never before seen since the Y2K bug. And what a beat up that was.

There is no additional cost being levied on the clubs by BSA. All that is being charged is referee costs and Hudl costs which is consistent with 2019. For SA there are no entry fees.

NBL and BSA will provide all the support required, especially on game night, to ensure any additional work by clubs is minimised

This is contained in an MOU, a draft which has been circulated to clubs for comment. In addition a clause is included to allow PL clubs to step away from NBL 1 after 12 months if certain events occur which may have been picked up in a more lengthy due diligence.

Clubs are protected and a lot of what is being said is just scaremongering and it seems it is coming from one club.

What is proposed is very similar to what Lukosius has outlined previously except SA has been able to negotiate even further safeguards.

^You sure. I've also heard Sturt won't get involved as BSA haven't supplied ALL the details of the contract. Yet BSA are desperately trying to rush it through.
Why would any club sign a contract without full details.
Are BSA really going to foot the bill. I'm hearing $11000 per club, paid by the club.
There is much more to this than people realise.
GAMBLE Responsibly.

Also forgot Central Coast Crusaders.

One of the major needs is sponsorship to help cover costs.

You have three paragraphs there so I will address each one individually. And please remember a lot of what I say is in the perspective of the WA SBL and my club in particular.

1. Short/medium term - additional exposure from NBL branding, additional exposure from updated online content such as a free NBL-supplied website, additional exposure from every game being live streamed, additional exposure by the pure fact that you are part of a 'national competition' of some sorts.... I could keep going on. If you saw what we were presented with at our meetings with the NBL, you would understand.

Medium/long term - a share of betting revenue.

2. Half the SBL clubs are in the same situation re venues. Irrelevant anyway as becoming 'NBL1' doesn't mean any more home games, and only one extra week added to the season. And that's only if you are the champion in your league.

3. I can't talk for the SA PL, but over here in WA, the SBL were going to subsidise it. And remember it's only the men's comp that will have this 'national championship' weekend. As far as NBL players are concerned, if they played on the previous weekend in their NBL1 Central grand final, I'm pretty sure they will be given another week. And as far as I'm concerned, if you are a club relying on NBL fringe-players to win you a championship, then you're at risk of losing those players towards the end of the season irrespective of if you are part of NBL1 or not.

Also forgot Central Coast Crusaders.

One of the major needs is sponsorship to help cover costs.

Maitland are the only other one who would probably play as they have played in waratah championship for years as well.

Also as far as the COE Teams go they will both be playing in the NSW Waratah 1 competition for 2020.

Other than Newcastle and Illawarra,what other country associations would be financial enough to play in NBL 1.

The answer-NONE.

Illawarra do not even play Waratah Championship or Waratah 1 as it will be known this year.

Newcastle had a strong womens team and won Waratah last season but they were stacked compared to other womens teams because they tried to go WNBL a few years ago and it did not happen.

Thats why they got Seebohm to coach initially.

Where is he now.

In the mens program the Newcastle mens team won it two years ago and last year finished bottom 3 even with 2 imports.

The teams that are normally the top 4 for Mens Waratah are:-Norths,Manly and last year Maitland and Crusaders who defeated Manly.

When you look at Fees the price to pay NBL 1 tripled by BNSW compared to playing Waratah Championship Division and some associations do lose money on their programs but will not admit it openly.

Nbl1 north, central and south for nz could be a possibility down the track.
I think they need to change the nz breakersto auckland and bringin Wellington first.

In the case of NSW teams, would it be feasible to allow some southern NSW teams into NBL1 South, and in northern NSW let some teams into NBL1 North for a season or 2 to let other NSW clubs catch up and re-form a Central or East conference.

LK seems to be foot-to-the-floor when he has a plan (and I'm ok with that) but slow-down-a-little, may be the go, for NSW and NBL1.

Any chance of future Far East conference incorporating the NZNBL under the NBL1 banner (obviously to be in step with the NBL). Can't see it happening but that could be a fun end-of-season play-offs.

As a club representative, I was involved with the comprehensive discussions between the NBL and the WA SBL back in November and December. And they were comprehensive. And I can assure you that simply 'rebranding' as NBL1 will not send the clubs broke. And that is what it is - a rebrand. As others have said, if a club gets into financial difficulties after the change to NBL1, they (1) probably already had financial instability beforehand or (2) it happened due to mismanagement.

There was to be some small infrastructure costs, mainly relating to live streaming and signage, but that's about it. There are no NBL1 'fees' for example. In fact the clubs won't be paying the NBL anything. The upside to this is the possible distribution of $$$ generated by sports betting agreements in place between the NBL and some betting agencies. Eventually these funds would be distributed back to the states.

In the case of the WA SBL (and I assume also the PL and QBL), not much was to change in relation to the management and general running of the league. It was still to be managed and run by the SBL (Basketball WA), but with a different name. SBL playoffs also wouldn't change, nor would the SBL grand final weekend. In fact, apart from the re-branding and the 'national champs' weekend at the end of the season, you wouldn't notice the difference in a lot of ways.

The reason why the SBL didn't join for 2020 was more about uncertainty relating to signage, and the speed in which this all happened. Also the SBL plays the most games out of all the 2nd-tier leagues and consequently starts before all the other leagues, so we had a shorter timeframe to come to a decision, which some clubs used as a valid reason for holding off until 2021. In addition some clubs wanted to have a 'sit and watch' approach in relation to the QBL (and now PL) joining in 2020.

Half to two-thirds of the SBL clubs were in favour of joining this year, but the SBL decided that without a 100% positive consensus from all 14 clubs, the best decision was to hold off until 2021. My club was 100% in favour and we are disappointed that it isn't happening. But we also understand the reasons why some clubs have balked at it for 2020, and we subsequently accept the SBL's decision to postpone for 12 months.

#130,

I have never heard so much ill informed dribble in all my life. NBL 1 will not make clubs broke - Poor Management will make Clubs broke.

You are guessing about every clubs position and in many cases you are wrong as has been identified by #145.

Southern Tigers had financial issues before NBL 1 came along.

South are financially well managed with good financial expertise on their Board. They are spending less than what you imagine and certainly is sustainable.

Sturt - lol - are you from Sturt and believe providing a strong pathway through seniors is a waste of money. Are you suggesting no other club cares about their juniors???

West - maybe you are from West(?) as you seem to have an intimate knowledge of what they are spending and what their sponsor situation is.

Woodville - your comment has already been refuted.

North, Norwood, Forestville - They are emerging more and more each year as powers in Juniors. I'm guessing Sturt are not spending money charged to parents wisely if these clubs are allegedly pouring money into their PL teams. These clubs are able to be financially strong while generating strong junior talent and strong PL teams. They show it is not mutually exclusive.

Centrals and Mavericks. I didn't follow your point if there was one at all.

So I have no doubt that NBL 1 Central will not send Clubs broke - only poor management can do that!

Tier 1
Nbl / Wnbl (hopefully aligned teams in the future) the quicker the better...

^

Tier 2
Nbl1 Conferences North, East, South, Central, West (A legit nationwide semi pro comp)

^

Tier 3
Currently Big v, qbl, Waratah, premier league, sbl or similar, these are for associations not big enough to enter or cannot enter due to finances but still can enter men’s and women’s teams. Maybe in time they can make the step up into tier 2 as the club grows.
Imo, this tier 3 should be restructured to be called nbl2 north, east, south, Central,, west where all the other teams fit into for uniformity, this competition would be without all the extras of nbl1 like live-streaming, marketing, etc. no conference end of season champs etc etc.

Haha Premier League is right on the edge between "elite" and "people who are good at basketball and also have another job in their life".

If you're not in the Premier League or playing for Mt Gambier, you're not elite by any stretch of the imagination in SA. Save for the 36ers, obviously even then....questionable atm ;)

I see,

So most states it will be NBL > NBL 1; Victoria it's NBL > NBL 1 > BigV?

Obviously in SA, there's nothing under the Premier League which will become NBL 1

#130 - I agree with the point of your post but want to correct the record in regards to Woodville. Woodville have hired a full time JDO, are pumping a lot of resources into juniors at the moment which is reflected in a increase of teams to 45 and a increase in the number of girls teams, plus a domestic competition which has started. Resources are going to juniors, not seniors.

If you can't pay, you play in the current state league

The state league in SA is what’s about to be named NBL 1 Central.

What’s Victoria’s state league? I thought bigV became NBL 1.

Sooooo.....

If you can’t pay, you play in the current state league, not nbl1
Nbl1 is for the big associations that can afford it. In time more clubs will be able to join.
It’s currently forcing a lot of clubs to look themselves and pull there finger out which is a good thing.

Of course feasibility studies have been done to ensure the survival of clubs that will try to keep pace with richer ones.
Ridiculous comment, move aside for teams that want to progress, in other words clubs that will out spend, lose money and grab money from juniors.

How will it send them broke?

Hopefully no more coe andthey put a state based team within each conference. More kids being developed.

Nsw will not be nbl 1 until 2021 and until some drastic changes will not be competitive if they have finals play offs against other groups as the top 3 teams are generally the same each season and the cost involved will not be cheap and most associations cannot really afford to field a men's and women's team to compete in it.

Southern Tigers jumping the gun

https://www.facebook.com/southerntigers.ba/photos/a.367489860039506/2558665270921943/?type=3&theater

but the WA SBL bitched out

Reality, you are out of touch with it.

I don’t think Waratah is nbl1 yet either.

bar one*

So each state bar on is in now for 2020? What a shame the Wait Awhile SBL is dragging their feet.

So the colours are exactly like the state metro teams.

NBL1 logos I reckon...

North-Maroon (QLD)
East-Light Blue (NSW/ACT)
South-Navy Blue (VIC/TAS)
Central-Red (SA)
West-Yellow (WA)

Will be good when it’s all up and running, next priority should be wnbl and getting that sorted.

I can’t see any announcements by Basketball SA or NBL1.

Unsurprising if true

2020 was supposed to be South, North, Central, East and West, but the WA SBL bitched out

Could not make it down myself but was wondering if anyone went to the members meeting tonight? if so anything of interest?