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What happens to clubs

Hopefully they go back to ten man lists and two to four dp players. If you have three imports one must be the marquee player. Hold the salary cap as it is or even make it 10% less. Bottom five players to still be below $450g but keep minimum payments at $55g.

Times are tough, Cairns were fantastic but the need to compete.

Stupid pessimistic people. Everyone should be upbeat and dancing in the streets with situation. Pray tell, what the glass half full say?

Kobe translating those media grabs of people saying "we don't know - probably as 12 months - 18 months" as, quoted, "Vaccines are a minimum of a year away."

South Yarra lol

Wonder how it affects Tasmania - they were on a tight timeline re development of DEC to begin with

Granted, Anon. NO arguement there. None at all!

I will abbreviate my previous post to, "What do we do about it?".

My ideas may be stupid, they often are. But please, don't tell me we're f**k*d. Everyone has that message. Come up with something.

And your comment: "Look how kings imports reacted when they thought they could not get home, out the door in a flash." is absolutely irrelevant to this topic. They went home for fear of not being able to later, to re-join there own life, not because it is safer there.

Thank you for being an Anon. It means that I can insult you without being personal.

You dickhead. You missed/ignored my intent completely and then to prove your stupidity you include trash to make YOUR point!

The virus is still on the up in Australia, we are still in only part shut down mode. Until we have a nationwide total shut down it’s not going away. Look how kings imports reacted when they thought they could not get home, out the door in a flash. I’d say world sport is in fa nose dive and while popular basketball could crash the furthest.

Agree with D2.0. Yes, we, The NBL AND all of Aust, share these problems BUT we also seem to have one of the best containment regimes with a comparably lower strike rate than others.

For our NBL imports, costs are always based on competition. Players play for the largest pay-packet they can get. With Europe as our main rival for the best avail imports and possibly South America & China being 2 and 3, do you think that more, top class American imports may choose the NBL instead of the opportunity to play in Spain, Italy, China, and some of the Sth American countries? You may even find that some top Euros will be looking for a new basketball home.

This problem is not an Australian one. It's world wide. Everyone will be affected by this, Aust less than most, I think.

As sad/bad as this tragedy is, Aust basketball could actually benefit from it.

One of my all-time favourite proverbs has been; "Sweet are the uses of adversity" (Shakespeare, I think). Adversity, itself, isn't so sweet but what we do to conquer adversity is very sweet.

I am not cheering for the covid19 issue. That has already happened. I hate that it did! The only thing that really matters now is how we react.

As an example of how this can be "used", "respectfully", without any gloating, our recruitment of internationals could include catch phrases like "the safest place to play", "Come to Oz and protect/prolong your career", "the best basketball in the safest environment", "Sydney is a bit dodgy but still better than the rest of the world!", etc.

PLUS! The whole world is also suffering commercially. Consequently, everyone will be offering less money to their recruits anyway.

Extension:

With the current NBL rules re imports in our league, each team is allowed 3 and as many others as they can get away with. There are say 10 teams in the league, ergo; 30 imports.

We have been blessed with some sensations lately. But imagine what an influx of new applicants who want to play in a safer environment could mean. Say 60 or 70 want to apply for 30 jobs. What then???

The "should be, but should it not be" was your suggestion that the NBL good to go ahead on time, which koberulz wasn't responding to.

You're right, if you ignore the facts hard enough they'll go away.

I think people would listen more to you Koberulz if you had the capability to converse in English properly instead misinterpreting words and then doing some googling thinking you’re informing people.

If someone says:
“Should be, and should it not be”

That does not equate to:
“It definitely will be”

Stop cutting and pasting media grabs, have a chat to a Head or Respiratory at a hospital, or an ENT - that’s something not replaceable by Google

So dr koberulz’s view is there won’t be an NBL 20/21

Fair to say you'd have zero clue on that, and no basis to place any minimum on that. Vaccines are developed - every single year - faster than 12/18 months.

[National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony]Fauci previously told CNN that researchers could expedite the approval process for a vaccine following a successful Phase 1 trial in an attempt to halt the spread of the virus.
But even when proceeding at an "emergency speed," a vaccine would not be available for use for at least a year or 18 months, he said Tuesday.

But even if scientists can celebrate having developed a vaccine this year, there is still the massive job of being able to mass-produce it.

It means, realistically, one would not be ready until at least the middle of next year.

Even if the research goes well, a vaccine wouldn’t be available for widespread use for 12 to 18 months, said Dr. Anthony Fauci of the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

Johnson & Johnson, which is repurposing a technology for the new coronavirus vaccine that was once successful for its Ebola and Zika vaccines, is “looking at 8 to 12 months” before the vaccine is publicly available, says the company’s chief scientific officer, Paul Stoffels.

Anthony Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (N.I.A.I.D.), spoke up. “A vaccine that you make and start testing in a year is not a vaccine that’s deployable,” he said. The earliest it would be deployable, Fauci added, is “in a year to a year and a half, no matter how fast you go.”

Trump talks in circles, it won’t happen by Easter.

If Americans arrived in Australia and were tested and quarantined for two weeks it could still happen. It shows you how good you need your Australian contingent to be and Perth favourites already, and as previously they get there good imports naturalised and married to Aussie girls.

Thank God we have Daniel Dillon, Kevin White and Brendan Teys to bring ShowTime to the AEC next season, otherwise we'd be in trouble.

Indeed, nobody is escaping unaffected.

Even if a successful vaccine were to be creates, tested, produced in 6 months, I think the impact would still be felt by the league.

I think the fear would still be there by the majority of the population who remain uninfected (I hope). Many would simply stay away and watch from home instead.

Which lends straight to what I said, the NBL shouldn't be too affected in terms of timing for the season given it's 7 monthsish away, and should it be, there's plenty of wriggle room for the NBL to delay a couple of months or more.

Corona Virus didn't just hit today, and they didn't just start working on a vaccine today.

They've been working on it for nearly 4 months, should it take another 8 months, that wouldn't dent the NBL season very much.

Sponsorship is a serious issue, but clubs are running through this period normally without game-night income while they prepare for sales pitches to sponsors and fans. Can prep and hold collateral in readiness, maintain communication with fans, etc. Might not take full staff, but still bound to keep a couple of people busy.

Swings and roundabouts - inevitable damage, however the money will flow again. This is GFC type stuff, worse, it may take a few years to start a decent recovery.

There is zero evidence that summer weather makes a damn bit of difference, as our outbreak here despite warmer weather would indicate.

Vaccines are a minimum of a year away.

Vaccines are a minimum of a year away. They're not the answer to the next NBL season.

The NBL hasn't avoided a storm just because they're not playing right now.

You haven't read the news in the last three weeks, have you?

There is zero evidence that summer weather makes a damn bit of difference, as our outbreak here despite warmer weather would indicate.

I don't see anyone opening borders this year. Especially if the US does indeed go with its "the economy is more important than lives, everyone back to work!" plan.

koberulz, 6-7 months away gives time for things to improve: combination of lock down measures should they be implemented, testing and distribution of vaccines, and return of summer weather (outside of flu season - virus is one thing but the medical community is more concerned with the mix of flu and virus re super spreaders and symptoms making people critically ill; and tougher for viruses to survive in hot weather)

Nobody knows what will occur 6-7 months down the track, it is however a good chunk of time.

Paul Smith throwing a tantrum and now the virus could result in him being a one hit wonder of an owner... err let me rephrase that - one flop wonder.

Didn't we learn from clubs spending above their means and going bust, a few incarnations of Melbourne teams, gold coast, Newcastle, Canberra. Remember there were no Brisbane and Sydney for a while because of that. All well and good to pump cash in and hope money comes in with TV rights and sponsorship, plus exposure overseas. But till then clubs will lose money, owners will say stuff it and close. Ex NBA players will get bored with being owners and put money into other ventures. Clubs need to put a feasibility study into league, if they agree to bankroll shortfall then good on them. If they say, hang on, we're not going to prop you up with a couple hundred thousand, then come back with reasonable proposal.

Holy Sheet.

We're going to see :

- Money Makin' Jason Cadee
- Money Makin' Kevin White
- Grown Man Ernest Ross
- Cam Tragardh and Wortho start for Cairns.

If the season does go ahead, I can't imagine imports playing so the lack of summer league and such probably won't affect much.

Borders are going to stay closed for a number of years.

Then clubs normally start marketing for members in about 3-4 months time, it is suggested that that will be the time of peak COVID19. Who is going to be thinking of basketball when outside is the Walking Dead?

And what price do you set on memberships? At current prices you can imagine a big drop off in memberships considering not just the COVID risk but the fact that people could be cash poor for a while.

It is going to be a very challenging time for the NBL even though we scraped through this season.

What should the NBL do about the Salary Cap? It has a calculation that normally goes upwards, should it be changed to scale it back? If they do scale it back...how can teams with big contracts continue to fit new players in?

Plus Clubs will need to start recruiting within a couple of months.

How much do you pay players now knowing revenue could drop off a cliff? Are newly recruited or re-negotiating players be willing to accept less given the excesses of the arms race for the last 3 seasons?

How would recruiting even go without NCAA, Summer League, NBL1? It will just be watching mixtapes on Youtube where even Keith Benson footage could be compiled to rival that of Clint Capela.

The ones that will survive are the Sydney Kings and Melbourne United with deep pockets.

Lisch and Kickert are happy to take less money, Tate may want more money, Casper isn't even getting to play NBL1 to regain form.

For the 19/20 Season, COVID19 really had no impact on any individual team other than Sydney and Perth.

Melbourne and Cairns were playing when the Virus was known, but they still got their full house in their one home game.

Sydney and Perth would have suffered greatly having to still rent both arenas with staff and get zero revenue.

I believe it when Perth say they breakeven at the GF (and likely make money there).

The league would have lost money as well. Thankfully all Sponsorships would still be paid out as the season regular completed.

Even if COVID settled down by next season, I think it will still be in people's minds not to attend. There will be a large portion of people who aren't infected and they may stay away.

So next season I expect all teams to suffer more.

The league can save money by keeping all luxury tax payments and rescinding league equalisation payments.

In a league where Cairns came third in front of Melbourne we no longer need equalisation.

In a league where the Hawks are gifted Lamelo and equalisation payments, and still end up as trash as they are, they don't need these payments.

Moving forward at least athletes won't be grossly overpaid.

I understand that our views of what a well run venue looks like will differ, but let's say that the ARC is run well compared to others. I can at least get some food at their canteen and there isn't a layer of dust when I sit down on their benches.

Norwood own their venue? That's hilarious. No they do not.

The venue is council run, and is managed quite well but nothing to do with Norwood. Seeing how well the ARC is run I was surprised that the management of St Clair was put out to tender. Not sure re Lightsview, who manages that stadium?

A big issue for NBL clubs will be owners of teams and sponsors all losing so much business/money. With pubs, restaurants, etc closed I don't think Prancing Pony will be giving too much to the Sixers next season. The player sponsors pay a few thousand for the sponsorship, can't see those payments easy to come by as some of them were from restaurants and pubs. The owners of the clubs will be losing money in their business too so will probably tighten the belts a little.

Luckily for the NBL, the season is over and by the time the season re-starts, Corona should by and large be over

True basketball supporters hope that Larry has very deep pockets and the game continues on an upward trend. If not there is going to be a lot pain and it could get back to the rabble it was a few years ago.

Don't Norwood own their venue. Starplex will be fine. Feel for north with new venue and not real opportunity to show case... guess this will halt movement on south new venture...
Think reality is sport last on list now - health and job security are priorities. Need to band together where can. Look out for others. Hoops can wait... hope no lost of clubs.

Stability is incredibly important.

Luckily for the NBL, the season is over and by the time the season re-starts, Corona should by and large be over, should it not be, you'd expect it would be by Nov/Dec, NBL could begin delayed without too much issue.

Where NBL IS affected, is if owners who were flush with cash no longer are due to their business interests or limited investors now because of the drowning economy, and most importantly, limitation of sponsorship due to businesses losing significant amounts of money.

Expect it to be a leaner year or two revenue wise for NBL - something hopefully they're well built to over come.

I don't believe so. Most of the clubs have very few fixed costs to manage now having already made Coaching Directors redundant (Norwood/Southern) and/or gone to more of part time model (Sturt). Stadium hire costs would now be 0 in most cases and clubs have sent their imports home. Privately managed, commercial venues like STARplex or St Clair will definitely get hammered by this. Not sure what would happen though. St Clair is managed by Life Be in It so council can just take it over and STARplex is owned by Trinity College. Not like they will knock down those venues.

nice pic and write up for the local league - would have been nice to get a pic of ABL women as well.