Hoops

Community sport restrictions to be relaxed?

The Australian Institute of Sport Executive Summary here: https://ais.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/730374/35845_AIS-Framework-for-Rebooting-Sport-Summary.pdf makes interesting reading.

Or the full FRAMEWORK FOR REBOOTING SPORT IN A COVID-19 ENVIRONMENT is here: https://ais.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/730376/35845_AIS-Framework-for-rebooting-sport_FA.pdf

Might need to have shorter or no benches - Gov indicating they will allow sports with less than 10 players. I'd be pushing fitness while in iso ...

408, Came from the teachers/coaches mouth in a weekly groupchat that it was definitely happening, so will see who's right then. I was surprised as well, not sure where he got it from.

408, Came from the teachers/coaches mouth in a weekly groupchat that it was definitely happening, so will see who's right then.

Yep, a school team was told last night. Don't know about other sports.

In SA , 361??

School basketball to start in week 3 for Open A and Bs.

Schools need to be open as business is still operating with lots of parents working. Since the start of this thing nothing has changed for the hundreds and thousands of workers who go to work and can't look after their children. It's not just frontline workers, it's all workers who need the schools open.

I imagine you have to appreciate that they're trying to straddle the fence on schools. Ideally you'd shut schools, but you can't even imply that and incite panic or you reduce the essential workforce plus kill WFH productivity. In SA's public system at least, it was left to parents - if you could manage it, you could take your kids out. I think in SA sending your kids back now is a justifiable decision; further, it's happening in a climate of more cleaning, more awareness, etc.

There'd be added pressure from teachers in a few directions - not wanting to be exposed unnecessarily but also not wanting to have to try teaching in-class while managing oversight of an online curriculum while copping criticism for being spread thin. My kids' school set up to offer online learning and then starting term two, said it would be available in brief but without dedicated support as the state-level advice was to be in school.

Think I've said it already, but we're discussing and following all this at full speed while the restrictions are phased out more slowly. In hindsight, some of these local decisions will be blips in history. I can see some strategic phasing back in of junior sport with very limited crowds.

Triton26

Your first 2 points debunk the “schools are safe” line. Your final point relies on the “schools are safe” line being true.

There os an element of risk. It’s all about risk management.

We could eliminate almost all risk by shutting down further, run big risks by opening completely, or manage situation with control measures.

Isaac, that sounds like a trip to Coles a couple of weeks ago as opposed to a PE lesson!

not sure about others but are kids doing PE classes at school yet?

Revealing latest testing results on Monday, the state’s top public health doctor said authorities were investigating what restrictions would be lifted in tranches but warned of creating a possible second wave of cases.

SA’s chief public health officer Professor Nicola Spurrier said she was studying how to ease restrictions on specific activities and "messaging” such as rules on gathering numbers
“It is certainly something we have been looking at very, very carefully,” Prof Spurrier said. “We just have to very mindful that we do it in a very sensible, graduated way.”

“There are range of things, for example, we have been very clear for people to not be travelling from their immediate area. It will be timely to look at the safety of travelling to regional areas.

“There are other things, in terms of sport. We would like to see … school sport starting up again. We have got restriction laws about the size of funerals and the size of weddings.

“So all of these things need to be looked at in terms of safety and the risk to public health.

Just wait for the second wave when restrictions lessen!!!

Once sports start up again, I wonder how many coaches / managers / refs / etc will be forced to make the decision between protecting their health by staying away, or risking their health because they’re needed or are paid to do so.

Kr, nice analysis, and thanks for that.

You said “This isn't being overreported so hospitals can claim government money. It's being dramatically underreported because there are too many cases to keep track of.”

I’d also add that I think the published totals are becoming politicised - some countries are probably under-reporting to keep up morale, to look more effective than they are (and to cover up their poor responses), or to ‘justify’ political decisions made about relaxing restrictions for the sake of the economy or to maintain their voter support. (Trump stands out in that regard).

Saw that YMCA have started programs for troubled youth at a few of their venues, St Clair, JMC etc. Max of 30 kids, deemed that they are low risk. Was on during school holidays apparently but have seen opening times for JMC for Friday and weekends now.

Agreed, less people in stadium, but why not make it only 1 court per stadium then, the whole 4 metres square per person. Empty court won't solve anything, courts being used will be same concentration depending on layout. If seating is back to back then usual social distancing applies. But will everything be wiped down and cleaned between games?
Rethinking I agree, but depends on layout to be honest.

One issue they would need to address is the amount of people in a venue. Limiting the time the players for the next game are allowed to enter the stadium would help as would limiting it to one parent/ guardian.

A lot of associations would struggle not receiving cash. It means they would have declare a lot more than they do!

How would using every second court help? Even having players sit on every second seat is stupid if they're about to physically touch someone on court. And will high 5s be banned? If they proceed I can only see spectators from different households sitting apart and leaving immediately after game.

The fed govt has been pretty clear, they want a staged return. Lots of people like to suggest splits in the national cabinet but the reality on the ground is they've all sung from very similar hymn sheets.

Morrison on tv yesterday said there is no reason not to send them now, the states are bucking the system.

"Teachers in nsw have been told another 3 weeks at least before school children are allowed back in as per normal. Morrison got no idea."

The fed govt is asking for a return to school by the end of May, which is 5 weeks away.

If I'm running a hospital, and people are dying every day like people do, I'm checking the box that gets me an extra 11 grand.

WA started relaxing things today, and I think QLD starts in a week, though at least in WA's case I think our relaxed measures just bring us into line with where SA already was (i.e. gatherings limited to 10 people)
WA's school term 2 starts on schedule tomorrow, though I believe some private schools are holding out on that.
Things certainly going well here so far anyway. Our last 9 days of cases have been 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 2, 1, 0, 0.
I think it makes sense from here to start easing things off in steps, starting with the lowest-risk steps.
Community sport - kids' sport especially - seems to me like the next logical cab off the rank.

WA and Queensland are starting to ease restrictions first.

Not a disaster for the basketball kids.

@Anon, playing Sundays as well. I'm not sure if the stats man works on Sundays.

Teachers in nsw have been told another 3 weeks at least before school children are allowed back in as per normal. Morrison got no idea, the states have lead this and will continue to. After the schools open for a few weeks as per normal and if the virus stays under control things will start to move towards normality, at least minimum 6 weeks all going to plan.

172 whom are these Junior team's already training that you speak of.

"On the upside, people like kobeulz will stay inside their mothers basement, way too scared to come outside. And that's a good thing. Fewer wankers outside the better." ^5 Dr Kobe knows it all. basketball or Covid.

I love this grapevine everyone has access to.

If things keep tracking how they are within a month stadiums will be back open and winter season commencing. How they manage the draw will be interesting. The grapevine has talk of Div 1 and 2 doubling up. Playing Friday and then again on Sunday instead of club training.

Why would you use an umbrella just because people told you to. Maybe you should poke your head out the door first and have a look at the weather and check if it's raining rather than following blindly.

Gates is pushing this because he wants mandatory vaccinations and the billions of dollars he stands to make because he knows it's much easier to bamboozle the ignorant masses than to convince them they were bamboozled.

Why would you use an umbrella just because people told you to. Maybe you should poke your head out the door first and have a look at the weather and check if it's raining rather than following blindly.

So you think the hundreds of thousands of deaths are all just made up then?

You are a fucking idiot.

Wow, quoting China as getting back to normal, would rather trust Trump and his injecting antiseptic plan! Are you that stupid that you don't think they haven't been honest one bit? Of course they have track record of reporting everything that happens and they have no media bans or anything. To say they have only had thousands of deaths is bullshit, it would be in the hundreds of thousands if they were ground zero and the population departed Wuhan immediately when it first started, either planned or unplanned. How come they're locking down other cities? And we still don't know where it originated.
Experts are saying we don't know if the antibodies will prevent another case of the virus, maybe you won't be immune. But they need time before sending patients home.
England was specifically warned by Italy about the consequences, but the moronic prime Minister Boris went around bragging how he was shaking hand with Covid19 patients.
Your argument that hospitals are empty so it's been a lot of hype is idiotic. Ask New York what is been like, or London. Again, the British government were a week late in shutting it down then it spread everywhere. We were lucky we isolated early enough. If we are not on top of it then those hospitals will soon fill.
All the do gooders will crap on about another day of no cases, that because of the restrictions, lift them back to normal and we start from square one. Obviously we won't be this strict forever, but we are still just weeks into this. Why not wait for a while longer, get some solid facts on the matter, China sure as hell won't be doing that.

Which clubs is the grapevine taking about

"I went out in the rain with an umbrella, but I didn't even get wet so why did everyone say I needed to take an umbrella?"

The restrictions were strategies set at different levels depending on case numbers made up by governments and put in place because their experts were telling them that thousands of citizens were going to be flooding the hospitals and overwhelming them causing the health system to crash. As we know this did not happen. Just another of the experts failed predictions, just like 150,000 deaths. The restrictions are not their to get rid of the virus, they were designed to control the flow of patients into the hospitals so we could "flatten the curve". The hospitals have been empty in SA. Now they want to get them opened up as quick as they can to give the nurses and doctors something to do. Restrictions in the community should be lifted as our hospitals will be able to cope. The Wakefield Hospital was specifically opened up for Covid and didn't have any patients.

Zero cases again today.

Above, you sucked me in

Crowds in Vic were good.
Other States let's wait. Your cooment may be correct.

#003 the government lifting elective surgery restrictions shows they are not concerned about hospitals being overwhelmed now. This lifting shows they don’t believe they will bees the beds not all the PPE. A fantastic position, this lift in restrictions will be followed by others, one a week to monitor the effects it has to active cases numbers. I would think community sport will be 3 or 4 lifting of restrictions away.

Schools were never shut but parents kept their children at home, Morrison is now saying get your children back to school. You see the difference, probably not if you start quoting Trump. Morrison is now continually talking about slowing getting back to normal as are most countries, China already has, again most countries are staying alert for a second wave. By all means it’s a personal choice what you do as an individual but I won’t be hiding under the bed.

#006, the schools were never shut, and the football codes will probably be played in an isolated hub. Reason for schools being exempt is they want existing kids physically on the premises to allow essential staff to work.
Where has the government said they are pushing to go back to normal? They are looking at lifting some of the more stricter restrictions, one I saw that you can swim in sea but not congregate on beach, doesn't sound like ScoMo is saying it's over, away we go. With our quick action we are able to allow small things like that whilst other countries announce further weeks on lockdown.
I'm sure you watched Trump yesterday with relief when he reported you can inject antiseptic and doctors blast ultra violet light into the lungs because they have been effective in killing virus on surfaces. Leading manufacturers have had to come out today and warn consumers not to do that, Trump's come out and said he was being sarcastic. But by all means, listen to idiots like that floating solutions how to beat the spread.

Yeah, it needs to be a slow approach so we can jump on any further outbreak, but it's getting towards time to get things going again at least in some states. SA one case in a week, WA no cases in three or four days now.

#005

The federal government are pushing to go back to normal, they want school open and will start lifting restriction, both football codes looking to restart with in 4 weeks. It’s not all doom and gloom, by all means though lock yourself up.

That is what we know of you Muppet. Our borders are hardly the Great Wall of China as well. Why not wait until there is more information on it. Strongly strongly doubt china is being truthful with what they know and the true casualties. And the known cases of transfer to animals, don't think Whiskers has been swabbed. Then there's the stories of reinfection. Hell, the great Richard Wilkins was still showing he has it yet no symptoms, because he's a celebrity (very minor) he got tested early, how many others are out there. Is it a time bomb, we just don't know.
I bet New York wish they were in our situation. Greatest health risk in generations and some want to go back to near normal. It may seem longer but it's only been weeks, no-one knows, or rather, no-one is saying what the potential risk is in the future.