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Matt Hodgson Opts Out

How good is the Belarusian league?

If your boss cuts your salary under contract you can tell him to shove it or appeal to the real ent authority, I find it unbelievable that people think you can just cut wages. Players might agree to it but they have options just like you would if you got cut.

No, not every season do players under contract get wages cut.

No, not every season do players under contract get wages cut.

Haha people love to say what they think the law is as if their opinion is authoritative.

Half an hour of googling doesn’t help, it’s like thinking you can do surgery from a quick wiki read up.

Total nonsense in this threat!

Those players under contract have had there wages cut.

KET

Maybe you should go back and look at some previous sporting results re restriction of trade, the afl get away with it and have made so easy for players to move clubs now because they all stuck together. The nrl players take court action and win, very hard to hold on to players when contracts are changed. The nbl has admitted this in away by even giving you an opt out date but it won’t stand up if you challenge it.

As Agentsview said good free agents this year have an unfair advantage.

Good players off contract don’t have to compete against players with a restriction of trade to one club and therefore can have a bidding war against clubs without as much competition in the market.

“ Restricting a player to only play with one club in Australia is a restraint of trade clause.“

In NBL, not in Australia.

And it’s not restraint of trade. And you don’t understand ACL.

Everyone thinks they’re a lawyer

Correct. Free agents will have their salaries cut by the same percentage as those under contract.

Agentsview.

Exactly, anyone after one year in a law degree knows this. This could get ugly. Players have short careers.

^ true

there are lots questions and what seems like secrecy around this.

It’s a restraint of trade as you can opt out to play elsewhere but not in Australia. Why should a contracted player take a reduction and a free agent can negotiate a new salary at his terms. That my friend is a restraint of trade.

It’s a total restriction of trade, uncompetitive and won’t stand up in court.

If the league wants to change the cap and who knows what the cap is or how it all works now, all players should be free agents.

@agentview

I believe he’s 100% correct, it’s unfair on contracted players. If a player under contract is offered the same money he’s on at present elsewhere but the club he’s with makes him take a pay cut, he’s going to opt out. It’s a total restriction of trade, uncompetitive and won’t stand up in court. If the league wants to change the cap and who knows what the cap is or how it all works now, all players should be free agents.

This has got a long way to go and as good as the league has been run under LK there are lots questions and what seems like secrecy around this.

Yeah, I don't see this becoming litigious

I think this whole situation is a farce is riddled with legal challenges.

Key NBL players began the process of voting for a series of measures on Thursday that would see a tiered approach to salary cuts for the 2020-21 season, multiple sources told ESPN.

The COVID-19 pandemic created an unstable and untenable financial environment for the league and its teams, leading to both parties coming together with the Australian Basketball Players' Association to negotiate cost-cutting measures.

Each teams' delegates voted on Thursday, sources said, with 15 of the 18 representatives voting in the affirmative, meaning the new measures are expected to go ahead. Contracted players were informed of the agreement after the vote.

Haha like Luke Schenscher

Most major countries in Australia have pushed their employees to accept contract variations for the next three months or so.

Wonder how the contracts work in the NBL, given their work product for the most part is September til end of March.

I'd love to see Matt Hodgson make the NBA, I think he'd do really well, he'd be what 4th string centre so let's say he got 5 minutes for example, he wouldn't have to worry about foul trouble as he does/did with Brisbane and he's far too dumb to stay out of foul trouble here but he doesn't come across as someone that would be daunted by the bright lights and I think he'd have some good moments in limited opportunities.

Yes, the death of the only pro league in the country is a vastly better option.

One point Liam Santamaria raised yesterday is that if they opt back in, their pay will be pro-rated, and some contracts start their payment cycle this month. So guys on those deals who opt out now are guaranteed to lose money on their NBL contracts.

The team they were contracted to has their rights for the season unless of course they choose to waive them.

He would have a deal lined up likely with another NBL team.

Have heard a similar rumour Zodiac. Disappointing if true.

that team unless Drmic resigns!

Cooks averaged less than 6 points a game, could not defend the three spot, Kay had his and Tate measure in the GF as well, did well on rebounds and has had a season in Europe but I don’t see him as a certainty by any length. His exit tweet clearly left the door open for a return.

Where is Creek in all this, his good salary will be halved as well, nba border line and play in Europe as well, he’d be a big chance. Some sides might lose there best and second best players.

Most clubs would take Creek ahead Cooks.

Anon,

Hodgson would not be opting out of guaranteed money with the Bullets on an assumption. He would have a deal lined up likely with another NBL team.

Cooks with his pedigree and play last season can set his own price.

As previously stated by someone else, Hodgson and Cooks have the same agent and it’s been put into the media, there are others who have made the same decision but so far been kept in house.

I think a lot of players will be disappointed, because they won’t find other teams but are just trying the market. Cotton and his quality will have no problems but a few others not a chance.

"36ers could definitely use him as a replacement for Froling and to be honest I'd rather have Hodgson than him anyway."

Diff skill sets so tough call. It would depend on the team I was trying to build. But I've always wanted a guy who could be a defensive presence next DJ and Hodgson probably fits that better than Froling, who doesn't really have the length to challenge shots around the basket.

That's what I'm wondering KET. I just can't see Hodgson getting a gig overseas, or being offered a bigger contract by Brisbane, so why would he opt out? If Brisbane has told him they will retain his NBL rights under the opt out rule, then I guess another possibility is he just isn't willing to play for what Brisbane is offering and would rather go do a regular job instead this year?

I'm hoping they'll somehow let him come back to the Sixers! Unlikely I know, but it was disappointing that Joey wasn't able to keep Hodgson onside and develop him. We have failed to retain so many young Aussies since losing the Grand Final three seasons back it is ridiculous! DJ and Teys are literally the only guys remaining from that team unless Drmic resigns!

36ers could definitely use him as a replacement for Froling and to be honest I'd rather have Hodgson than him anyway.

Is it possible for a player to opt out and the team decline to let him opt back in?

Akin to a mutual termination of contract type thing, Bullets want to give more time to Magnay and focus Hodgsons money elsewhere, Hodgson wants more time so moves on to a different club.

Straight up this is an odd opt out though. Cotton and Kay and aware would make sense, take the risk but get paid at some euro club. Hodgson I don’t see making euro bucks especially without a euro passport.

Would love to be a fly on the wall of the convo between him and his agent

I guess he thinks he's going to end up losing minutes to Magnay?

The Sixers could do worse than invite him back under their new coach.

I guess he thinks he's going to end up losing minutes to Magnay?

The Sixers could do worse than invite him back under their new coach. He still has his fouling and positioning issues, but has improved in Brisbane and is one of the few NBL big men who can really change shots around the basket.

Could still become a difference maker if invested in for a couple more years and getting a decent import big in the current Covid19 climate could be difficult.

Cooks yes. Cotton yes. Hogdson.... Not so much

Brandt did very good in Italy, if they get a league going and he’s happy how it all went, he’s not coming back for peanuts in the nbl.

Trying to manage their value. Some times managers get it wrong too in a game of chess. Going to suck for him if the team that may take him change their mind. How long did he have on his contract? Brandt and Hodgson would both be aiming for contracts as number one big, but one of them would end up as backup.

Hodgson opted out of getting a brain when they were handing those out. Absolute dope.

Could they be putting pressure on the clubs to get there money and bring in low paying players around them so they still keep under the cap.

Big risk for him.....not the wisest of moves.

Why do people think total bankruptcy and folding the league is somehow a better outcome than whatever ends up on the floor this season?

If guys of Hodgson's level opt out en masse, I absolutely 100% guarantee that the majority of opt-outs will play in the NBL next season. There just won't be enough leagues, import spots, and money to go around.

"To me, Hodgson opting out is a bigger story"

^This

If a guy on the level of Hodgson is opting out, this is going to set the NBL back at least 2-3 years. The decision to cut wages was done way too soon.

Not permitted but Brisbane will let him go for more money.

Hodgson opted out because he is sought after by the Wildcats.

Wildcats centres will be Angus Brandt and Matt Hodgson.

To me, Hodgson opting out is a bigger story than Cotton opting out. Cotton can get a ton of money elsewhere, at least in theory. The same isn't true of Hodgson, so if guys like him are opting out it looks like we're going to see a large number of opt-outs rather than just the elite tier.

Cooks from Sydney too.

LOL