Hoops

BA announces Return To Basketball guidelines

Any updates in regards to whats going on with the state leagues:
I've heard the following below but don't know if there is much truth to it as some people say all leagues will be cancelled while a fair few people are saying condensed season.

NSW are looking into doing 16 round - 8 week condensed season or to call the season off

Big V - 9 round - 9 games each team plays each other once

Would the WABL, QBL and Premier League pop up for condensed seasons as the NBL1 variants in those states are cancelled to fill in for the gap created from NBL1

Another issue is if it is cancelled, will people get refunds for their rego and team fees, especially the rego being more than half done'

A hilarious yet accurate take on BA's return to basketball guidelines:

Rock, paper, scissor, ball! Basketball Australia's Return to Basketball guidelines

thanks ibek

Re: "Last I heard they were testing using qPCR which requires a million dollar machine, an experienced operator and 2 days of work. If it weren't for that then yes, I would agree"

Thanks "The Ibek-Way". I understand there is a problem with reliability of tests, particularly false readings given by certain testing kits from China (...well done twiggy, securing these).

I am open to credible, contrary info here - but I understand that the quality of tests in Taiwan and South Korea, conducted en masse in car parks and airport terminals and taking less than 2 hours, is considered satisfactory for public health purposes. I have read reports airlines like Emirates are looking to include these covid tests as part of a passenger's check in procedure.

My concern is the postponed U16/U18 nationals. I would have thought that pre-testing competitors would be a no brainer, but I cannot find any reference to testing in these guidelines. I can only guess here - but almost 4 months into this crisis it could be that access to quality testing kits is still a big problem and that BA cannot mandate testing when it cannot be confident testing kits will be available.

Paper, scissors, rock?

Surely this is just someone at BA injecting some humour into this...

The absence of Covid tests in these guidelines is - I think - a major issue from these guidelines.

The jump ball situation is of minor importance - I'm surprised people are making such a big deal out of it.

"If it's not safe to have a jump ball, it's not safe to play."

One of the great public misunderstandings about COVID restrictions is they are all in place because doing that particular activity "is not safe".

That's not the case, the overwhelming majority of restrictions are in place to minimise risk.

All sports governing bodies have been asked to minimise risk as much as possible in their return to play guidelines. Given the jump ball is one of the most crowded situations in a basketball game, and there is an easy alternative, they have chosen to minimise that risk.

Yes, like many restrictions/guidelines that have been put in place the past two months, the removal of one jump ball per game is probably over the top, but there is reasoning behind what BA have done.

I guess, if anyone has COVID 19 they should be caught at the door with a temp check on the way in

IF they played because they didnt have a temp yet, then chances are they'll either infect someone else or they won't, and the jump ball only increases the chances by a tiny amount.

If I was writing the rules, I'd leave the jump ball. I was just saying, it's not totally inconsistent with the physical distancing thing they've been pushing. And a jump ball is easily replaceable whereas other parts of the game are not.

(Unless you wanna make it like mixed bball and have certain players in the key, which is an absolutely ridiculous suggestion for male or female games obviously)

Some boffin at BA trying to justify his big salary whilst making sure a coronavirus box is ticked sure does.

LV really? How long do they stand around the circle? 5 seconds? What about feee throws? Baseline inbounds in the front court? Its ridiculous

If it's not safe to have a jump ball, it's not safe to play.

The jump ball thing is kind of logical-

the diameter of the centre circle is 3.6 metres, radius 1.8m.

That's 10.2sqm.

They're avoiding a situation where 11 people will all be within 11sqm of each other, given there's another way to deal with the situation which is already used (possession arrow- eg: Equivalent to first team listed on the fixture).

It's not really that inconsistent.

Draconion perhaps (much like the sanitiser thing) but you can understand where they're coming from.

"the use of hand
sanitisers courtside when a player enters and exits the
court at breaks, timeouts and substitutions"

I will be more upset if I lose "rock, paper, scissors", than if I lose the game.

The point, surely, is the underlying inconsistency. It would help if there was an explanation as to why this [no jump ball] should be the case, but I'm struggling to come up with one.

Can't be more than one person touching the ball - that's how the game is played.

Can't be officials [refs] and players touching the ball - that happens every throw in.

Can't be players [too] close together because that happens in every rebound or other contested ball situation.

Feel free to add/expand as you see fit.

To repeat - the point is not the 'no jump ball' edict, but the underlying inconsistency, which sadly makes it a nonsense and opens up all the associated edicts/issues into question.

#115 clearly from basketball Adelaide

So the reason behind a “no jump ball” situation is what , to avoid contact, what are they going to do when the ball changes possession on a pass, on a rebound, on a steal, are they going to stop play and wipe the ball, come on, a jump ball is an extension of the game, the same ball will be used.

I wondered if the removal of the jump ball might've been to minimise handling of the ball between ref and players, but didn't see mention of any other situations where that might occur. Maybe they figured they'd removed other jump balls in past years, so might as well go one step further for the hell of it. Should've skipped the coin toss/etc and gone with scoresheet order and alternated from there.

What value do they provide stakeholders other than been totally distant from them, the game and out of totally touch with what their stakeholders/customers need and want? They provide insurance? You can get that elsewhere. There are independent events and competitions popping that are showing SSOs are not needed to run and develop the game.

This stupid policy is just the latest example.

You don't need peak bodies involved like we have them involved in this country. Infact, most countries in the world they are relatively small organisations that do very little, other than put out guidelines on the rules and let independent entities run and develop the game and consumers can vote with their feet.

In SA it is a monopoly of poorly governed, disconnected, poorly paid people in BSAs case they are governed by people who have virtually noting to do with basketball. It is staffed by people that are in it for themselves, driven by politics, in order to keep their own jobs.

If there is a risk in having a jump ball, isn't there also a risk in :

- Playing D, getting a charge?

- Inbounding a ball where the shooter may be a Covid carrier? Or should an UV sanitiser be installed into the hoop? What if the shot misses, how can we sanitise the ball before the rebound?

- Setting a pick, I don't the defender hitting my screen, surely he must lag 1.5 wide and 1.5m behind? Its not safe otherwise.
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When is the u16 and u18 nationals?

IMO posters are being a tad unfair on the sports administrators - they have to comply with public health dictates. That said, the no jump ball rule is really really stupid.

In looking ahead to the U16/U18 nationals, what is NOT in these guidelines is a requirement for players to get tested for covid (and be cleared) to participate in a BA event.

If you know your playing group are clear of Covid, it provides more leeway for contact in other areas...like allowing jumpballs! Are testing kits still hard to come by?

I like no hand shakes, high 5's or pushing off the ball!!

One thing the coronavirus has done is expose so many of the complete muppets sitting in officialdom.

Is this a joke:
"Start of Game
Games should not be started with a jump ball. Instead
toss a coin or use “rock, paper, scissor” to determine
which team will have first possession. Alternatively,
first named team in the draw has the first possession."

Are they taking the p*ss?

Typical of basketball administrators. In SA you got our kids about to play a basketball game, in a city that has 0 active cases, with 1 new case in 28 days. And they can't start with a jump ball?

C'mon guys! I think we can start with a jump ball. Scary thing is I have much less faith in BSA than I do in BA. Let's see what happens next with this madness.

It's time to kill off the monopolies by so called "peak sporting bodies", and introduce more market driven, consumer options that takes care of stakeholders. Not the other way round where stakeholders are taking care of the dictators as the case now.

There's games will be streamed live
Follow the link on the BBNZ website

So if anybody wants to watch