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NH : AFL player tests positive to Covid

15 cases in Victoria today with no known source. Tell me again how track and trace is still viable?

As many have said from the start, the actions taken will seem like an overreaction whatever happened, whether chaos didn't ensue or if the action was effective. You get more of a feel of the potential when mishandling the situation by looking abroad.

Here, but for some outliers, the actions taken appear to have bipartisan support.

"The Vics finally got their testing act together in May and tested at huge levels for a short period, but then inexplicably dropped away from around 15,000 tests per day to around 4000 tests per day as they were opening up."

This pattern of apparent testing rates may be incorrect, due to a reporting artefact. On 6 June Victoria reported a decrease in their total tyests, due to "an automated duplication error of previously reported testing numbers". See https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers.

For sometime now, the Victorian strategy has been to deliver 50,000 tests per week. The numbers after June 6 are on or about that rate. The May figure of 15,000 per day in the post above is about double that rate. That would be consistent with the 50,000 per week target if the "duplication error" resulted in double counting during May.

Up to the latest outbreak, Victoria's testing strategy focused on people self-presenting for tests, health workers, and vulnerable or high-risk groups to deliver the 50,000 per week target.

Government yelling and trying to screw states in opening borders also makes people think it’s nothing, slowly slowly is the best method and lock down all world visitors except for NZ unless quarantine measures are followed.
It’s the only way things will be able to open up properly just like NZ and WA can do.

Sixtiesrockstar portraying the mentality that has Victoria in the shit again

Never reached proportions of the predictions made months ago

Keep seeing the same fear and panic on here as when this virus first started. The media playing the fiddle to the governments tune pushing the fear and panic into the public arena. Never reached proportions of the predictions made months ago and it won't reach anything like the predictions they are making now. The restrictions rules are completely stupid as they were then. Locking healthy people down is completely stupid.

The AFL will probably still make Essendon quarantine and fine and suspend the player. Can't have people living life now can we.

Annnnd the player has now tested negative....thanks for playing everyone.

Even better: Victoria increased restrictions. That, right there, is an indication they believe track-and-trace is no longer viable at this exposure level. So no, I don't need to tell the government it's broken, they're already aware of that and have taken steps to deal with it.

" Victoria's leadership focused too much on things that don't have a big impact (locking down healthy people)"

The idea that the lockdowns don't have a big positive impact is total nonsense

Not even sure what the argument above is even about, but this is from the Victorian Health Minister:

There are over 100 active cases, and when there are that many active cases, we expect there will be over 1,000 close contacts.

Will Jackson: "Pretty sure he said that there were 1000 people on the contact tracing team, not that they were chasing down 1000 close contacts."

Dr Jill Tomlinson: "both numbers are true, I believe."

Will Jackson: "Yeah, you're right. I went through the transcript again and found where he said it."

I went through the transcript again and he does say at a different part of the press conference that there are close to 1000 close contacts and that it could become unmanageable.

I think it says a lot about your credibility that you've given up on trying to disprove things I've said and moved on to claiming I said things I didn't actually say so you can try and disprove those.

Nice try Kobe.

"Pretty sure he said that there were 1000 people on the contact tracing team, not that they were chasing down 1000 close contacts." Some random Dr that posts shit and you beleive it. Oops

Pretty easy to have many IP addy's. Ask Perthworld.

#034 pretty confident there are plenty of different IP posters who think you are a fool

It's impressive that Kobe cites some random noob on Twitter that is meant to support his argument. Therefore it's true. Why not post under the Perthworld nick instead of the anonymous way it's so tiresome.

Nice try Kobe.

"Pretty sure he said that there were 1000 people on the contact tracing team, not that they were chasing down 1000 close contacts." Some random Dr that posts shit and you beleive it. Oops

I just wish that Victoria, NSW would get control as to get the draw out so I can get excited to be able to watch my favourite sport.

This troll needs a name like others so I can see his post and just skip past. Fucking tool

Now you are saying "if not break the track-and-trace method of handling an outbreak." Are you serious. I hope you have let the Government know that's it's broken. Where is the proof for this outlandish statement? Have millions of people wasted their time d/l the app?

So where's the proof KR. We need a citation rather than your 'expert' words.
Now you are saying "if not break the track-and-trace method of handling an outbreak." Are you serious. I hope you have let the Government know that's it's broken. Where is the proof for this outlandish statement? Have millions of people wasted their time d/l the app? Man you really are clutching at straws and believing your own "I am always right" crap.

Fulz, how can he pick it up off a surface when there have been no active cases in the state for over a month apart from the English woman that slipped through.

That is the cutest cut and paste ever to try and refute someone who is clearly smarter than you anon #809021

Fulz, how can he pick it up off a surface when there have been no active cases in the state for over a month apart from the English woman that slipped through. I doesn't make any sense.
And good on your Nanna for coming on the forum to stick up for you. But you still haven't given any solid ways for him to have contracted it. And seeing as you like to cut and paste:



FEATURE /DOCTOR'S NOTE
Doctor's Note: Can the coronavirus reactivate?
New research suggests the coronavirus may be able to lie dormant and later 'reawaken'. A doctor examines the evidence.

Dr Sara Kayat by Dr Sara Kayat
12 Apr 2020 GMT+3
New data from the Korean Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has thrown up a new theory about how we build immunity to coronavirus.


The KCDC stated last week that there have been 91 documented cases of patients in Daegu, South Korea who had recovered from the coronavirus, left quarantine, and then tested positive again.


KCDC director-general, Jeong Eun-kyeong, stated they would be investigating this further to determine if these results were down to an issue with testing, but was quoted as saying that he thought it was due to "reactivation" of the virus, rather than reinfection.

From the knowledge that we have about other coronaviruses, we are aware that immunity to such viruses can be variable.

Antibodies we form against the common cold, for example, which is also caused by a coronavirus, do not offer lifelong immunity from this virus. As the US's Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), has stated, adults on average catch two to three colds a year.

Research on the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) virus has shown that immunity wanes after around 18 months and we build an average of two years' immunity to the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, which seems to have the most in common, genetically speaking, with COVID-19.

From what has been observed about COVID-19 so far, researchers suspect that we will have at least a "short-term" immunity, so that you will be unlikely to catch it again this season.

A scientific research team based in China released a preliminary report looking at two rhesus macaques that had recovered from COVID-19 and were not reinfected when researchers exposed them to the virus for a second time, four weeks after their initial exposure.

The aim is to then extrapolate this to humans to see if they react in the same way when they have been potentially exposed to COVID-19 multiple times.

There had been some reports of patients testing positive for coronavirus soon after discharge, despite having recovered from the initial infection.

Researchers suspect that, rather than these people having been reinfected, there may have been flaws in the testing process whereby low levels of the virus failed to be picked up when patients were discharged from the hospital.

Other studies suggested that people may still test positive long after recovery. So, while it cannot be entirely ruled out that you could catch coronavirus twice in one season, at present, it appears unlikely.

However, this latest data from the KCDC has thrown a new theory into the mix - that the virus can become dormant and, later, reactivate itself.

While our immune system is able to clear most pathogens, there are, indeed, some that lie dormant - "hidden" in our cells, not causing any illness.

The mechanism of reactivation occurs when that pathogen comes out of its sleeping phase and becomes active again, potentially replicating and spreading, causing illness.

There are quite a few viruses that behave like this. For example, a very common one is varicella-zoster, which is the virus responsible for chickenpox.

Nearly all children in the UK catch chickenpox by the age of 10, and it is considered a fairly benign virus for most. However, once you have cleared chickenpox, it remains inactive in your nerve tissue, and in one in three adults it reactivates to cause shingles, a condition resulting in a painful rash.

While we cannot rule out reactivation as a possibility yet, it still seems more probable that these 91 cases were either due to the levels of the virus dipping below a detectable level, allowing symptoms to improve, but then surging again, or that there were flaws with the tests, where the clearance samples were false negatives. The tests are not perfect and, from the data received from China, the most commonly used type of test showed up to a 30 percent false-negative rate.


As South Korea investigates this further and other countries are able to offer their own findings, we are likely to understand more about the way this virus summons an immune response and, hopefully, determine for sure whether reactivation or reinfection are possibilities.

NZ locked the whole country down and opened it all up, yes I know two English people who left quarantine early got caught with it but the total lock down worked well, even there football stadiums are now full.

“ Victoria's leadership focused too much on things that don't have a big impact (locking down healthy people)”

The idea that the lockdowns don’t have a big positive impact is total nonsense, especially in the context of how contagious it is and the more people others are around the more people who get infected

Leave KR alone he has personal issues.

Conan Doyle was a hack.

When were they tested? How were they tested? Could he have picked it up off a surface from someone with whom he had no contact?

Australia is doing well, but Victoria and NSW needs to continue Lockdown measures for an extended period.

IMO have that travel bubble between all states and territories except NSW/Vic

Still didn't say how he got it fulz. No one for weeks before and the contacts he had afterwards didn't have it, else they would show on statistics, that's fact.

Try ozhoops ;)

Fulz is never wrong apparently, just want his explanation on this.

hoops going downhill by the day.

It's a putrid attack. Hilarious.

Still didn't say how he got it fulz. No one for weeks before and the contacts he had afterwards didn't have it, else they would show on statistics, that's fact. So somehow he brought it in from the UK, sat dormant for 47 days then appeared.
Over to you fulz, copy and paste your heart out. Don't care about the rest, just tell me how he got covid when the facts say he couldn't have in South Australia.

The thing is Covid is in its infancy

it's different to other viruses

hence the pandemic.

That's fact, as said by chief medical officer, saying HE wouldn't have passed it on with such limited contact.

Hence it does seem more likely it can stay in the system.

COVID-19 doesn't check its calendar before infecting people, you nonce.

It's not "20ish cases", it's 24 cases in a single day and over a thousand people exposed, which will stretch if not break the track-and-trace method of handling an outbreak. This is serious shit, and needs to be taken seriously, which is why they've dramatically increased restrictions.

The first wave started with only a handful of cases. Why would 24 cases now be any different?

Heard he broke the AFL rules.

So either one person in the entire world has somehow had a COVID-19 infection that evaded all testing for almost two months, or an asymptomatic case snuck under the radar and that case was contracted in Australia.

One of those things is significantly more likely than the other.

It's KR he doesn't handle criticism at all well. He has said he's always right. It must be true.

Heard he broke the AFL rules. Expect he’ll be rubbed out for longer than the other Essendon guys who tested positive a few years ago ...

Whoops, sorry, forgot kr is a well respected expert virologist. What about this one dumbass. He returns in March 20 has test May 5th and found to be positive, his infection believed to have happened in Britain. That appears to be about same time frame as Essendon player.
What's your opinion Dr KR you twat?


ABC News SHARE
South Australia ends 14-day coronavirus-free streak with new case contracted in UK
By Eugene Boisvert and Camron Slessor
Posted Thu 7 May 2020 at 5:49am, updatedThu 7 May 2020 at 1:42pm

SA Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier at a press conference about coronavirus.(ABC News)
South Australia has recorded its first new coronavirus case in a fortnight after a man who returned from the United Kingdom in March tested positive.

Key points:
South Australia now has 439 coronavirus cases
A man has tested positive after noticing a lack of smell and taste
SA Health believes he acquired it in the UK
The latest diagnosis brings the total number of positive coronavirus cases in the state to 439.

SA Health believes the man in his 70s acquired COVID–19 overseas, but developed "very mild" symptoms, including a loss of taste and smell sensations, after his return on March 20.

He sought a test on May 5 and it was subsequently confirmed he had the virus, and a small number of close contacts have gone into isolation.

Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said he was not infectious on his flight into Australia and that he self-quarantined once he arrived.

This is not the first time someone has done their isolation only for them to show up positive many weeks later.

The government won't keep stopping and starting, once we're going it's a freight train.

They'll have to quarantine but as in this Irish player, will the virus lay dormant for weeks later before rearing head.

^ you are a silly little man

Very happy for SA to keep their borders closed.

25 cases overnight, only one occurring in quarantine. Over 1000 known close contacts of cases, meaning track and trace is potentially no longer viable.

This is the second wave.

Scumo, telling all to open borders, wanker.

Might have to play nbl season out Perth, qld, SA, and NZ.

Yes it’s not good news for the start of next season. Lot of water to pass under the bridge yet.

Just a thought, what will the NBL be like in the future?
with the NBL breaking away from basketball australia,could we possibly see the NBL get bigger and more media coverage in future years?
i would LOVE to see the NBL be a bigger league here, i would atleast like to see games results on the news, they seem to mention every a league, nrl and afl game recently played, but not NBL, ( other than ten news)
Where could we see the league going? up or down?