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VJBL Changing age levels?

The Hawthorn crowd-funding has been going for months and has been a huge disappointment for them. A few weeks ago, they had less than $20,000.

They 'asked' the clubs playing domestic to 'donate' heavily to get them out of debt and got told where to go.

So their model of throwing thousands at well established junior coaches and former nbl players to coach their first teams by previous management wasn’t a sound business idea?
Are other associations in this boat or have they been mismanaged on a bigger scale to others?

Hawthorn is in dire financial trouble....

http://www.hawthornbasketball.com.au/asf-donation/

004 which club is guaranteeing spots to players??

#012 is definitely a parent of a kid that isn't very good.

You think there's going to be enough 'spots' when volunteer coaches don't have time after the pandemic to coach the 8's so little jimmy can have a run. Look at Hawthorn cutting team numbers and tonnes of kids last season, although that was probably court-space related it ensured that club didnt have a team in VJL11. Rep isn't about participation - its not another game for decent domestic players, sometimes people just arent good enough.

Geelong United, Bellarine and Surfcoaster doing a substitute Friday night program with their Rep Teams. Good thinking and well done to these Associations. Maybe Ballarat could be added.

Guaranteeing all current players a spot???? What happens if someone better comes along or a kids gone backwards! Which clubs are you talking about I haven’t heard this

Love that idea ^

Has anyone read Malcolm Gladwells "Outliers"? The Rep set up in Victoria gives an massive advantage to kids born in the first half of the year and an equal disadvantage to kids born in the last half of the year. An example, a kid born in November or December competes against kids born in January or February possibly up to 23 months older. The older, more mature, bgger, stronger etc kid has a huge advantage in making higher teams or state programs, getting more opportunity and better coaching etc, etc. This manifests as they get older.
Yes, really good kids will overcome this, but it means that basketball misses out on many great players and athletes who struggle to compete early on and put more time into sports where they compete against kids closer to their own age and size and maturity.
Perhaps other options could be looked at?

Depending on numbers some AFL junior associations run teams in yearly age groups such as u/8, u/9, u/10, u/11, u/12, u/13 etc. Soccer does this in some lower age groups too.

It’s only vic kids missing out, maybe it’ll give the other states a chance to win for once.

Fear is that kids who play multiple sports will resume with just one of those sports.

All good, mine was a genuine question as well. I thought only Basketball did the 2 year thing.

I believe originally the reason why was because they didn't get enough competitors in each age group, but that was over 40 years ago and not the case these days.


Every top age kid this year will go from 2018 to 2022 before they compete against their own age group.

I wasnt having a go I just didn't know :")

Cricket, Basketball, AFL football, school sport athletics all dont

Athletics, soccer, rugby league, swimming, netball.

Which other sports don't?

Which sports go only in your age level; u11, u12, u13, etc?

Why are age groups every 2 years anyway? Why doesn't rep basketball just play their own age every year like other sports? Not fair on growing kids to wait 2 years to play kids their own age. This would be a good time to change.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

You cherry pick one view, I'll raise you 100.

Sweden’s mortality rate is substantially higher than for its neighbors Denmark and Norway, at 442 deaths per million compared to just 100 and 44 respectively. Per capita, Sweden’s death rate is even higher than the United States, which stands at 321 deaths per million.

Herd immunity — letting the virus spread to enough of the population that protective antibodies would keep it from spreading further — is still a distant dream. Only 7.3 percent of Stockholm citizens were found to have developed COVID-19 antibodies, according to a May study, suggesting that “herd immunity is a long way off, if we ever reach it,” as Bjorn Olsen, Professor of Infectious Medicine at Uppsala University, told Reuters last month.

The very premise of 797's argument is flawed. It assumes that if we didn't lockdown and were allowed to roam free there would be less suicide deaths as a result of the mental health benefits of being out and about.

These problems cannot be assessed in a vacuum, it is totally plausible to assume there might even be more suicide deaths with out the lockdown due to the anxiety of passing COVID onto a loved one or catching a particularly shit case of COVID no matter the age. Even if we assume the media are overblowing the whole thing and that's a large contributor to the suicides (I do believe that the media, particulary social media may be having a large influence on the suicide rates) the problem isn't the lockdowns its the media and that is a totally separate conversation.

Lockdown, dont go out if not for one of the four reasons, get through it so our lives can restart on the other side hopefully with basketball to be played in 8 weeks!

Sweedish approach up for debate, it will only be known after a few years, remember they may avoid the catastrophic second wave! Once 60-70% of the population has caught a virus herd immunity takes effect, to even hypothesize that every cancer sufferer woild die is ludicrous.

You save your 80 year old Granny, 5 families loose a mother or father that provides for them, and another 5 families loose their brother, sister, daughter or son just as they're in the peak of their life.

Unpopular view, but hard to argue against.

Oh, and how's the healthcare system going to look for the next 20 years now the economy is stuffed, good luck protecting the vulnerable in the future.

So 100 people with an average age of 80 have died from Covid in our counrty, and now the mental health experts have said there have already been an additional 1000 suicides due to the lockdown response with an average age half that of covid, how many years of life have now been lost.

Initial lockdowns when we were unsure... Ok... to let them continue now with the latest data? different story. Surely it's time to just protect the 1% who are vulnerable.

And yes I do follow the rules in society because I respect that I know he person next to me may not share my views on the matter, and that's ok, it's just a good idea to question the narrative sometimes and I'd like to live in a world where we are still free to have an unpopular opinion.

There's a few hundred studies and reports you can read during the ad breaks of Big Brother. I'm not saying Covid isn't a real thing, it's just nowhere near what people initially feared.

That's ok, typical response from someone who feels informed because they watch The Project. Here's the studies and views from hundreds of experts far smarter us forum users.


Facts about Covid-19 – Swiss Policy Research
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

And its people like you #786 as to why there is another outbreak. People much smarter than you know the facts. So you miss a season of basketball. You miss some nights at the pub. Big deal. It's a major killer world wide. We have been lucky so far.

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Yep stop with the drama. It is 1 year and involves all his/her mates. If he/her sis an acl they would be behind a year but as a parent you would say move on love you will play again. Maybe you should practice this as September tryouts for 2021 May not even happen.

3 people have tragically died in the past 6 weeks with Covid in Australia, last winter 3 people died everyday with the flu, numbers don't lie.

If our media weren't incentivised to keep the crisis narrative rolling, and actually reported the mounting evidence that 99% of people who contract this strain of coronavirus actually have mild or no symptoms, our lives including basketball would look very normal. I don't blame those on this forum who are afraid and agree with the strict measures being used to contain this so called pandemic, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I am opposed to the reasons why those scared people are in that state of fear.

Unfortunately we have people in charge who are lapping up their moment in the sun, and in Victoria at least it may be a very long time until we can resume as normal, whatever that is now.

Absolutely. Yeah because nothing is broken in Victoria at the moment. smh

How about keep everything the same, take a deep breath and get through the next 6 weeks with limited deaths?

Once in a lifetime situation, let's not change something that ain't broken.

It's official
Signed today, the delay was due to him negotiating a longer contract