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Why does everyone love Goorjian?

I just have to look at the framed/signed 2003 Champions T-shirt hanging in my loungeroom. I don't need any other reason to feel the love

It really annoys me when people have absolutely no concept of logic, and so then insist that everyone else must be wrong.

If you want your team to win, you're going to have to spend money. Now I would argue that some teams spend it a little smarter than others, but the overall principle remains.

If you really want to be successful, then one of the things you spend money on is going to be the coach.

Naturally the best coach in the league is going to cost you a relatively large amount.

So yes, its unfortunate that so many teams have, over the years, spent themselves into Oblivion, but its no surprise that some of them spent some of that money on Goorjian.

In Point of fact, with many of the teams often mentioned, the problem is directly attributable to Dodgy owners, nothing to do with the Coach.

Also, you can't really talk about the Victorian clubs in this context. They were simply victims of their own engrained arrogance.
Without a multi-billion dollar tv deal to prop them up, how many Melbourne teams do you think would be in the AFL? Not 10 of them that's for sure.
The NBL was NEVER, ever, going to sustain all those Melbourne teams. The problem is that in even trying, they caused wouldbe fans to develop allegiance to clubs which either disappeared or went back to the state league. Again you can hardly blame Goorjian for that.

I don't hate Goorjian I've always respected him for being the greatest coach in NBL history he's the closest thing to Phil Jackson in the NBL. But I always hated the way he coached and made his teams play. He always sooking on the sidelines berating the refs yelling at them all the time and he instructed his players to push the envelope physically. I have no doubt he operated on the assumption that the refs aren't going to foul out his entire roster so essentially play as hard and tough physically as you like.

It's a pretty smart strategy really but it doesn't take skill to play basketball like it's footy and combined with his constant sooking, usually having the most expensive rosters and the nepotism he showed as Boomers coach trying to squeeze as many Kings players as he could onto those Boomers teams (his protege Andrej Lemanis has learned well) so I disliked immensely. Respected him but never wanted him coaching my team.

anon - 'Do you like quarreling, sir?'

Why is this even a question. OP must be young.

Hawks are pretty much rock bottom, Goorjian is prob the best case scenario for new coach without going back to Beveridge. I hope they do well.

He developed some of our greatest players in the era he was coaching. His Magic teams had some great players come through as 19yo and thrive under him. McKinnon, smith, Anstey, drmic, then later Worthington

Don't get me wrong, I hated Goorjian.

He was public enemy number 1 to me, in my younger days as a Tigers fan and then Tigers media rep.

But, respect where respect is due.

Even if the Hawks finish last this season, it won't diminish his incredible record with many clubs over a 20+ year period.

Why does everyone love Goorjian?

6 championships and 7 runner ups in 22 seasons

In 15 of his 22 seasons, finished top 2 at end of regular season - 10 minor premierships and 5 2nd place finished

21 seasons in a row with a regular season winning percentage of 58% or mpre (after his first season was 11-13)

20 seasons in a row finishing top 4 in the regular season.

He coached 5 different teams, and 4 of them for 4 seasons or more- and achieved massive success everywhere

445-174 record, 72%

As a comparison:

Craig Bellamy 313-2-141, 69%

Wayne Bennett 524-14-308, 62%

Alistair Clarkson 219-2-137, 61%

Bellamy the only one who's close, and he's benefited from coaching Cameron Smith his entire career, plus Cooper Cronk and Billy Slater until the last couple of years

Does Goorjian drive teams broke?

Given that most teams in the NBL's history have gone bust, it's a bit harsh blaming Goorjian, especially when some of those clubs had well documented off-court issues that had nothing to do with Goorjian.

"insurmountable amount of money for no return"

That's most NBL clubs forever haha

Same can be said about Gleeson. Has only won with the Bendat funded loaded wildcats roster. Hall of fame coaches need hall of fame players, it’s never the other way round.

dragons spat with the Nbl is a cover up they realised they were spending an insurmountable amount of money for no return, then they realised championships don't really make you money, so to save face lets blame it on the NBL so know one knows we can't afford it.

Dragons were a joke of a franchise

In fairness, Sydney went down because of Firepower being a fraudulent company.

South Dragons went because the owner has a spat with the NBL.

So you're talking about Magic/Giant/Titans situation which is really one combined situation.

But yes, Goorjian has an expectation of expensive rosters.

Does anyone know the situtation with corin henry? he is a 10 point play this season, so do you think kings will re sign him?
Love to see him play for them, Easily a crowd favourite.
Also, whats happening with lance hurdle and the hawks, and cedric jackson?