Hoops

Tech fouls

I am anon #64586 and in response to the fairness issue by FM- I assumed after the other coach breached the zero tolerance rules, myself yelling out what I said without foul language was fair and quite reasonabl. Not because i didnt think it created an advantage or not, but beacuse i had a player who appeared to be semi conscious lying on the ground whilst play was still going on around her. It was not to do with contact or not, it was the fact a safety issue had been severely crossed in a game where it would be reasonable to assume it safe to play.
And i do agree with pickles housemate- if there is zero tolerance, then enforce it on both sides. If i cross the line, so be it, but if someone else does as well, then they should be penalised as well. It shouldnt have to be at each umpires discretion, whether they are dictator style or chatty, whether the coach is young or old, well known, or not. If there is to be zero tolerance, its for everyone.

This is not my role anon!!!
But the prob is obvious isnt it?
The culture is not what it could be, and my hands are full in my role. Those who are responsible take ownership of the officials and make the changes. Enough whining though...It was still my responsibility to support them not badger them...so point taken.

No apologies needed.
The problems are actually different at each stadia.
The quality is dependent on the program. I have seen woodville(DHD) on a saturday, it has been wonderful ...with meaningful instruction and older experienced officials. a far cry from other times and places.

I posted the second comment (#64489) and i think yelling would be fair for reasons such as:
- I was down the other end of the court
- The umpire did not go up towards the bench to call both techs
- The game on the next court was very loud
- My player was lying on the ground whilst the game was continuing around her- injury time out should have been called immediately.
- And my "yell" isnt the same as everyone elses "yell"- i have a habit of mumbling when i normally speak.

So to anonymous #64514 my "yelling" isnt so over the top as you make it out to be.

I am a accredited Level 2 ref, so I do recognise a foul when I see one, and part of my coaching at trainings is teaching my team to keep their hands out etc, and if they foul at games and its called- I tell them they were wrong and to not complain.

The incident i referred was one I very disappointed in. I had just asked the umpire to tell the opposing coach he isnt allowed to walk a metre inside the court- its a tech. He was also yelling for subs when they were not allowed and screaming at the refs. I am not accusing of bias, but if i received 2 techs for my 'outburst' - then why didnt he?

I am not proud of getting techs- they are a detriment to the team, self and club- but as my player was in danger- i do not regret it.

Hope that clears the air a little and apologies for a long post.

Let me tell you I have been coaching for 25 years up to international level and I have never been ejected !!
It was not one of my proudest moments and yes I will have to adapt.
But that stil does not help our young officials when it comes to a national final or being promoted to the ABA...they just wont have the grounding to cope at that level...or rather we would like to see them flourish.
The are being precluded and they dont even know it!

Interesting Responses!!!
Both the incidents described dont involve the questioning of a call...its the selective non calling. No Umpire in charge at the game..Where is the feedback and education going into this umpire. This is the key problem in SA. The system of education does not involve a feedback mechanism or any protection for officials , because the network certainly wasn't there the night I was ejected. It was also the first instance in the game that I had spoken to the official even though she had called 15 foul to quarter time. The 7pm game finished at 8.45pm!!

Ditto
I was out with no warning and two techs in the same breath!!
Is this the benchmark now??
I am amazed .
Our refs will have no chance of making it if (national or international)if they dont learn early that communication is not a tech' and that we are only there for the players!!

Yes i was given 2 techs at the simultaneouslyn at Starplex because i stood up and yelled "Hey! You have got to be kidding me!" because my player got slammed on a fast break from behind into a wall and then wasnt moving, whilst play continued around her, until the ball went out of court.
And somehow i wasnt ejected.

An u23 league is a good idea, although getting numbers at all clubs may be hard.